There's no novelty though. It's going back to the roots of mmos instead. They were way more interesting than wow instances, because you'd meet people there and pvp with them a ton of the time. And human prey is way more fun than some random mobs.We have not received permission from Bonfield to share the quoted post.
And to me, fighting mobs is boring right from the start, so even if the pvp exist for a short period of time, it'll be way more exciting than just killing mobs.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Uhm, in your own example the winner was the mobs. I understand that you don't consider them as smth that can win, but if you lost against a mob - the mob won. Otherwise you wouldn't have lost to it.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
I mean, I didn't fight people who were wearing gear that's below mine by a few tiers. And when I fought dudes in the same tier as me, I never knew whether I'd win or not, because a lot depended on their skill lvl. I've had pvp against classes that I should've easily won, but opponent's skill lvl prevented me from winning. I also fought against overboosted characters that didn't know how to play, so I managed to win against them.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Oh most definitely, L2's mobs are pretty much non-existent. But I've also played Terraria with its bosses, Elden Ring with its mobs and have seen a ton of videos about WoW's and FF14's raids. And all of those things are just scripted fights where the only thing you need to learn is the pattern and the timing. Is that difficult? Yes, I'd assume top lvl raids are quite intricate (that is if you don't look at WoW and its fucking addons that tell you what to do). Is that still boring to me because it's the same shit over and over until I just learn it? Also yes.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Do you only kill a single mob once then? How would you not know whether you can kill a mob or not, unless there's constant randomness of abilities/stats on that mob that change you every new interaction with it?We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
You glanced over Terraria and Elden Ring bosses, which afaik are considered somewhat difficult and usually require several, if not countless tries to beat.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Could you give an example of such games. I'll gladly be proven wrong, because that'd mean that there's still hope for me liking pve in mmos. But if those examples are just based on randomizing movesets, then I'd just prefer fighting people because you can build relationships with them, based on your pvp history, while randomized mobs just give you something difficult to grind and nothing else.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
I used them as an example of "difficult" pve that I've done before to show that L2 isn't the only game that I've killed mobs in.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
That highly depends on their class, your own class and the overall ability design of both. I had probably 5+ starters for 1v1 pvps in L2 and then ~5 more for party pvp. And that's just starters. The action tree branched out quite a lot after that.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
You forgot to give an example here, so I'd like to ask again.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
So one of the ways to make PvE better is literally making it like PvP - as in, adding more variables and opponents to the fight, which is the base of any party vs party pvp.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Yes, except I'd have that openers in the open world against any enemy I come across, instead of going to the same damn mobs again and again.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
And I have no way to see/check what that even looks like. You argue against my point by saying "you haven't experienced shit so your point is mute, yet you're not even presenting a single example of what shit I'd have to play to be able to argue against your point.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
I am a pvp-focused player, except in L2 that pvp had a background of grinding mobs, so there wasn't really a separation between pve people or pvp people. We just killed each other while killing mobs.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
Yes, and I find that boring. I don't want to work with other people to kill just one thing. I will if I have to, as I did in L2, but even there I'd have to first go through a few hundred people before even having the chance to kill that one entity. Ashes will be very similar, if not the same, which is why I'm interested in it.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
So I guess you consider Elden Ring (and all souls games at that) non-pve games that are not worth discussing? They require 0 skill and are a useless example when arguing about "what mobs you've killed in games", is that right?We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.
I'm saying that I'm gonna do my best to become a part of that kind of group and kill that kind of mob. And I would have a motivation to do so exactly because I'd have to first fight through a ton of other people trying to do the same thing.We have not received permission from Noaani to share the quoted post.