Vaporware ala Chronicles of Elyria?

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lol. That said, someone who hasn't checked in in 2-3 years might not be aware of all of these things, so, to be clear: Nerror's point is that we have had all of these things. MMO development often takes 6-8 years, and we have no particularly strong signs that Ashes will be vaporware.

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Decent. Did you see the Mage Showcase stream?

There were some sweet cows.

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Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

From the perspective of those who were 'invested' enough to actually give them money already, things are still fine. "Relevance at release" might be a bit harder to believe in for some, but I don't think most people that would answer you think 'the game won't release' or anything like that.

And since the Creative Director keeps saying 'don't give us money unless you really believe', I'll suggest the same to you.

From what they've been saying, if it does come out, it will probably be 'big' (at least in the sense that you will definitely hear about it) so I suggest maybe 'catch up on the very latest stuff and see if the gameplay looks good for you'. If not, come back in another year or so in case it changed.

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They did. But Steven saw that they did and hired a good producer. That's kinda why we're several years behind the initial promised release date and why we aren't getting any promises anymore (well, relatively speaking). So Ashes wasn't too far from CoE, but it kept moving away farther and farther with time.

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Iirc 2019 or somewhere there? @Noaani you've been here a long time, do you remember when they got the producer?