Another area perma flagged for PVP?

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Post by SongRune on 2022-10-17 22:21:21

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Yes. Less than a week if one of the absolute highest tier, most powerful nodes on the server falls. Half that for a normal one. Of course, Steven mentioned opt-in in the same answer, so... It's slightly unclear, but you shouldn't assume it won't happen.

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Post by SongRune on 2022-10-17 23:47:31

Neither was Open Seas PvP. People have gotten it out of their system, and this one's a much smaller instance due to being time limited, preventable, and relatively rare. There are plenty of people who are concerned about deviations from the previously stated intentions, and we saw a lot of evidence of this last month.

That said... they've said over and over "everything is subject to change", and there's no reason for the design not to evolve as long as it stays relatively consistent with the same overall vision. Even something as large is this is, on some level, 'details'. As for whether this particular change is good or not? A subject for debate. So far, most of the sentiment I've seen is that it's relatively minor, overall.

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Post by SongRune on 2022-10-18 12:55:11

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Is THAT what he meant? I'll have to rewatch it...

EDIT: Ah. So it is. He learned that he needs to say the words 'opt in zone' when describing corruption-free PvP regions. It was in fact clear. He was just also trying to trick a specific set of people, and I was confused in retrospect by it.

So it is in fact:
"Opt-in zone": Zone which you opt into by entering.
not:
"Opt-in zone": Zone where the PvP 'mode' is "opt-in".

Ultimately, given what node ruins are, it really should be the first. There's no actual reason to enter them other than to fight for the stuff therein. Anything else would just result in unnecessary technical or design complexity.

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Yeah, see. This is exactly the sort of mindset that drives away a certain subset of player that might otherwise be able to ease into it. This whole "It's supposed to be painful and unfun, and you're supposed to just deal with that." People without experiences that show them the value in this sort of gameplay then go "But why?" and leave. The PvP you're talking about may not even need to be painful or un-fun, but when you have this kind of reaction, you make sure they'll never find that out. It's very unproductive.

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Post by SongRune on 2022-10-19 18:47:00

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Well, it's never been about Dygz. It's about all the silent people who have similar perspectives and don't post them here. Dygz knows about corruption, he knows how all these systems work. He has legitimate reasons that he personally doesn't like Steven's new direction. No-one here is gonna drive away Dygz. Steven already did that, and you know what? That's fine. Personally, I'm glad Steven is clarifying his target audience rather than stringing along people who don't fit.

If he started a discussion about Corruption, sure. If he had made arguments about how it's a small temporary thing and doesn't matter much, sure. But the argument wasn't "this won't be a problem", it was "tough it out".

That said, I've realized that I called out someone who said "just tough it out", with an appeal to empathy and a broader concept of 'global community dynamics', but the type of person who says that isn't interested in the type of person it alienates. I'll back down, here.

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