Is the goal truly PvX?

PvP requires PvE and scarcity of PvE leads to PvP. That kind of interconnectedness makes the game PvX.

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I'd expect them to dislike the game.

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I think the mirror of that elitist approach for PvP is equalized/ladder arena pvp vs owpvp. Ashes allegedly will have both hardcore bosses and arena fights (and allegedly even avatar-based "fair" pvp).

In other words, there's both filler pvx and elitist pvx. Which imo makes the game PvX. Well, that is if they can deliver on their promises.

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@Noaani and this is what I'm talking about. There's pvpers, pvers and pvxers. It just so happens that pvx games so far hasn't had a good enough representation of pve, but Ashes has a chance to fix that.

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Yeah, the instanced stuff is supposed to be "not grindable" and with sub-BiS rewards (if even high tier). But due to us not hearing anything about the hardcorer side of the game's pve we've got no clue if there's been any change on that front. Which is exactly why I made the thread asking for that info.

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So the game might not be for you! Ayo!!

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But you have to PvP in order to PvE successfully and you need PvE to keep pvping successfully.

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You have way less resources than the people after said resources. So if you want to get something - you gotta earn it. Want to kill a cool boss? You gotta go through whoever knows how many guilds trying to do the same. Want to collect a rare gatherable? Better hope there's no one around you with the skills to do the same, because they're quite likely to attack you for it. And the same principle applies to all the pvp events in the game.

And those who get to have those things will then use them against other people who have either already gotten them or are about to get them. And it's on Intrepid to properly balance the powerscaling of those things, so that the first winners don't just immediately snowball into an unbeatable force.

If you remove pvp from the game, only those who have the bigger number of players will always win. They'll have the biggest numbers on bosses and win out in the dps competition. They'll have the most gatherers who'll be collecting all the valuables around the clock. And they will then use those resources to win in any pvp events, because everyone would have worse stuff.

Those big guilds would still have higher chances for success in the pvp version, but smaller guilds can at least do smth about that, while on pve servers you literally can't.

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That's why I said that Ashes has a chance to fix this issue. Most likely they won't, but there's a chance!