Animation canceling, Dodging, weaving

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This is a long explanation and I hate to 'try to influence by my experience' in this way but...

I promise you that BDO is not like a fighting game. Not really. That's a thing that people who don't actually know how to play fighting games think when they LOOK at it.

Fighting games are way wayyyyy harder than BDO. And they are harder in ways that, oddly, are more fitting for most MMOs than not. So in a very weird twist, you probably actually would want your MMO to be much more like a fighting game than BDO is.

I don't know how to say the next part without being confusing so I'll just mention it and hope you believe me outright...

Tab Target Games have more in common with most Fighting Games than BDO does. If BDO played more like an average Fighting Game, I assure you I'd like it a lot more.

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Oh, so English actually is your second language then? (all the top players in Soul Calibur historically are Japanese or Korean afaik).

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This is accurate but just like MMOs differ, fighting games differ, so it depends on which game you play, on average it is entirely correct though.

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I, as a non-fighting game player, would agree with this cause I see fighting games as more of "know your opponent and try to predict his next moves" thing rather than "mash and pray" one.

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I, as a non-fighting game player, would agree with this cause I see fighting games as more of "know your opponent and try to predict his next moves" thing rather than "mash and pray" one.

AHAHAHAHAHA DATA AT LAST!

(posts from here on are moreso for my team than others, please do not make any extrapolation judgements on things I say about Mag7)

He's a SIEGFRIED!

He's a LEAP SIEGFRIED!

This explains LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

Azherae wrote: »

He's a LEAP SIEGFRIED!

This explains LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

A quick google didn't give me any info on this. Could you give a quick explanation of what it is? Or maybe give a link to somewhere that explains it?

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So me saying "I don't play fighting games" tells you that I don't play fighting games? Seems good

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

He's a LEAP SIEGFRIED!

This explains LITERALLY EVERYTHING.

A quick google didn't give me any info on this. Could you give a quick explanation of what it is? Or maybe give a link to somewhere that explains it?

As I said, I prefer you don't make the same type of inferences I am making. I prefer that you do not take my words to mean things because this is me 'As a Fighting Gamer' judging someone based on their playstyle in a fighting game.

It is not a valid or particularly relevant method of judging a person's character, only their combat/arguing style and certain perceptions they have. When I say it explains literally everything I mean some stuff that I'm 'watching' in the way people post that I really doubt you are paying any attention to.

But you see, the thing about fighting games is that they are like martial arts, they absolutely teach you a lot about people based on how they approach them, which is the 'model' I keep mentioning that I use to predict others.

Notice how Mag7 just kinda 'powers through' other people's arguments, assuming things and making the same claims repeatedly while ignoring counterpoints? Siegfried is THAT character. The 'I have armor', 'I have a massive sword and big range so I will put the hurt on you eventually', the 'Defense is a matter of strong offense unless I have a big combo and your mistake is obvious (or I feel it is obvious)'.

In short, if I had been told 'I play Siegfried in SC6' when I first met Mag, I would have known much more about how to engage.

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So me saying "I don't play fighting games" tells you that I don't play fighting games? Seems good

And to follow up on that... people end up with entirely different perceptions of what fighting games are ABOUT based on what characters they play, the same as for classes in MMOs.

So it would make sense for Mag to conclude 'you don't understand fighting games' when you have that response, because to a Siegfried player that usually is NOT how one plays. And similarly, most games have 'a character with that style'.

This is why I use this sort of thing to judge/predict people. Even the response you received, to me, just indicates 'NiKr plays more methodically, so maybe Kilik', but Mag doesn't think in the same way as you, literally it's required to not. It's not a matter of 'fault'. In order to SUCCEED at playing Siegfried, you HAVE to 'disregard opposing attacks', you have to be 'willing to make sweeping generalizations', and you have to be 'willing to retreat before making a big attempt at getting into the other person's conceptual space'.

Mag is 'fighting correctly' for who Mag is. It's me that hasn't been.

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And to follow up on that... people end up with entirely different perceptions of what fighting games are ABOUT based on what characters they play, the same as for classes in MMOs.

Just to give you a bit more data. Back when I was playing a lot of Tekken 3 with friends I played Bryan Fury. Dunno if that fits Leap Siegrfried though

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You're still really annoying, but now at least I don't need to keep ignoring your posts...

You're a Siegfried at heart, in my mind. And you're referring to SC6. I'm aware that people have Secondaries. Even your secondary was predictable to an extent.

@NiKr the amount of information that has been basically jumpstarted into my brain from watching just TWO of Mag's matches is more than I can reasonably express, but to actually derail into 'I now have analysis' would make this thread so so much worse.

I will say this though. And this is incontrovertible and provable.

You are talking to a person who plays fighting games by 'trying to overpower the opponent with offense'. Siegfried does it with power and reach, Talim does it by 'constantly poking very quickly, trying to interrupt everything and respond faster with short strikes, and dodging out of the way of opponent moves pre-emptively'.

Sound famililar?

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Sound famililar?

Very much so