Cosmetic Shop is P2W

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It seems that you, too, tend to take the simpler interpretation of what is being said.

Your assumptions about what I am saying are wrong, but I honestly don't know how to influence them. I can only advise Iridianny to ignore your perspective because your accusation of selfishness appears to be baseless or rooted too deeply in your own perceptions to be a situation where you understand what is being said even from the perspective of the other person but still disagree with it.

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Yes yes, fine, your usual style of argument.

"I don't know what I'm talking about because my experience doesn't match yours."

Carry on.

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If you prefer to call it that, sure. I don't really agree with Iridianny's definitions anyway.

If you want to argue over 'common definitions of P2W among MMO players of the last 10 years', you and I are on the same side. If we were going to discuss 'what RP is about and what RPers do', then I would be opposed.

But in the case of both you and Asgerr, I'm not actually trying to 'make a point' or 'win an argument', I was just doing my usual 'check of if you were coming from a place of attempting to understand' or not, to determine if to continue.

Sometimes people respond positively when one shows that one isn't just trying to be argumentative. Sometimes they don't.

It is really a shame that this thread has completely devolved into pointless shitslinging, even after Azherae explained the exact situation where Iridianny is correct, even if such situation will be so damn rare that I'd personally say it's gonna never happen, but the point that no one understood said situation or why that situation proves Iridianny's point (be it only in that kind of very particular situation) is quite a shame indeed.

And as for Asgerr's attempts at explaining why the thread is "selfish", @Iridianny the perceived selfishness comes from the assumption that the creation of this thread was meant to change Intrepid's monetization scheme. And the selfish part being "you want to get rid of the cosmetic store because you consider it p2w, but w/o said store Intrepid would have to either increase the sub price or introduce some other monetary feature. And for the majority of people anything outside of cosmetic stores is usually seen as either p2w or at the very least aggressive and/or exploitative p4c. But considering that you don't care about either of those things, you still made the thread with the (assumed) purpose of changing the currently accepted non-p2w model. And it is seen as selfish on your part".

Or at least that's how I understood Asgerrs attempts at pointing this out. If that is not the case, Asgerr, or if the intention of the thread was not in fact to change the currently planned monetization scheme, Iridianny - then I guess we have in fact spent our time uselessly arguing pointless semantics.

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Well, if your intention wasn't to change the monetization then you can disregard Asgerr's accusations of selfishness and just go back to arguing about the semantics of p2w and the rarity of situations where even your definition of it applies to Ashes

Oh, and considering Azherae pretty much did your job for you, I thought you'd be fine with me doing Asgerr's job for him