DPS Meter Megathread

Post by Songcaller on 2022-08-20 21:22:42

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Post by GrilledCheeseMojito on 2022-08-20 21:33:50

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The problem with lying as much as you do, is that eventually every person that would support you hears a lie that they have to call you out on because they know the truth, so you just end up with everyone realizing you're a liar.

Both of the people you're talking to right now have played way more MMOs than you, and it shows. Maybe if you played as much as they have, you would realize that.

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-20 21:42:49

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That is in fact, how words work.

So far, no one agrees with your definition of 'grinding'. Of course, you can keep using it, but it will have about as much meaning as any of the other words you use in the non-standard way.

Yet again, this all seems to stem from your lack of understanding of BDO of all things. Which is pretty disappointing. I was really hoping you were actually good at that game so we could have at least one solid basis to have discussions from, but it seems not.

Post by JustVine on 2022-08-20 21:53:13

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Stop letting Mag troll you all, even if he thinks long play sessions are grinds, he's just purposely pretending not to understand how language works so he can call people toxic.

Post by Azherae on 2022-08-20 21:55:12

Anyways, I feel l had a really good succinct perspective to pose to those who oppose the concept of meters based on the gameplay effect, but I only half-remember it, and I think the only actual 'opposition' speaking lately is Mag, who obviously represents the massive 'silent majority' (can we get a different representative please?)

I'll let you know when I remember it, but it was definitely something simple approximately in this area:

"If we agree that re-reading the combat log is a good, POSSIBLY the best way to notice certain issues with your style or build or timing of skills, particularly in groups, do we also agree that this is difficult enough for Bards specifically that they would be 'expected' to do so?"

Which follows on in the obvious way. Generally my understanding is that Bards need meters the most, followed by Mages (in complex games), then Healers, then Tanks, and then you just go down the list for the Damage Dealers. Not because DPS is easy specifically, but because they are not tracking as many things at once.

I actually think (just personal opinion) that part of the reason we see lesser numbers of Tanks, Bards, Healers in some games at higher levels, is related to this. The DPS race is not necessarily 'a place for glory' for everyone, but DPS is easier to objectively claim "I did well enough, X thing died in Y time", so they can use trackers much more sparingly. Figure out the build and the enemy and do the thing.

tl;dr do people really think that Bards in a complex game either:

1) Can easily do all their assessment of how to improve and their effectiveness without carefully looking at the combat log
2) Should have to spend much more time than others going through such a combat log manually (while sometimes not having access to other people's DPS numbers or mitigation values anyway, if we're trying to hide as much as possible)

(My Bard is sick so I'm back on duty on her behalf at least).

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-20 22:04:46

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I think you missed the point, got caught up in your feelings again.

Sometimes people KNOW you're lying or ignorant based on their own experience. You run your mouth in ignorance too OFTEN so you end up making it clear to everyone.

Now, technically, this is a good thing in general, since it lets people learn about your 'loose relationship with the truth' quicker, but I feel like somehow, it does not put you in the... let's say 'Top 10' of most credible people.

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-20 22:15:45

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My point is that you don't need to talk about 'grinding' in the first place, you're just throwing Neurath in your 'toxic' pile because you said something that hit Neurath's bs-meter.

No matter which definition of 'grind' you use, it has nothing to do with Combat Tracker use, likelihood of being 'caught' for it, or anything of that kind.

Have you even ever used a Tracker? I find it difficult to believe that you have this perception (specifically the one where people would be discouraged or worry about being banned) if you have used one. I still don't know if you know what I mean when I say 'parser'.

Come to think of it, I don't know if you know what GitHub is either...

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-20 22:21:10

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I would be super happy to change and learn if you had ever brought a single piece of evidence other than your gut feelings on something, to basically any argument you've ever made, but the literal only time you ever did this, with a screenshot no less, it was (almost) intentionally misleading.

I will accept the character flaw of 'doesn't take bullshit at face value from people who sling around deceitful information'.

I know that there is no recourse on the forums to stop you from doing this, what you are doing is not likely to even result in a warning, so all I can do is continue to point it out when you do it. I don't even want Intrepid to take any action. You are the sort of person we need to find a way to 'deal with' as a community.

I just wish it didn't take so many posts.

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