Discussion: "Auction House" Do we REALLY need one?

Post by Azherae on 2022-09-02 22:13:33

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I am telling you that the player stall can be checked without any third party program being involved. You the seller just put up a regular stall, but the website still has your data because it can be obtained by any player in the vicinity.

Post by George_Black on 2022-09-02 22:16:10

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Post by George_Black on 2022-09-02 22:16:40

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Post by Azherae on 2022-09-02 22:17:38

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Never mind. Given your reactions to me, I feel as though it is best if this explanation comes from someone else. The fact that you do not understand it has now been clarified such that any person with the knowledge can attempt to explain it to you.

Post by Ludullu on 2022-09-02 23:09:32

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I'm fairly sure I've seen those kinds of sites for L2 back in the day. Some dude would just go around, talk to every player stall and compile all that info onto the site. That's it. No vendor took part in the creation of the site so no ban could come their way. And no GM/Admin would know who exactly compiled the info because it was done through legal means.

I think that's what Azherae is talking about. The site doesn't even have to be profitable to have that kind of information, because there'll always be people interested in compiling information in such ways, so you'd just find those players (easily done through discord groups and shit) and then have them check their local nodes every other hour for the changes on the market.

And if such a site becomes profitable in any way - oooooh boi would your info become way more relevant real quick.

Post by George_Black on 2022-09-02 23:17:27

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-09-02 23:23:54

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I've seen player stalls that didn't change for days in L2. And that shit had TPs and a quite limited range of useful items. I'm more than sure that AoC's markets will move even slower, so checking it every other hour could work just fine.

Either way, people will find a way to make their own kind of AH, be it discord groups, forum threads or player-made sites. And none of that can be bannable, unless Intrepid decide to completely forbid that, which imo would be quite dumb.

Post by Azherae on 2022-09-02 23:32:17

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I've seen player stalls that didn't change for days in L2. And that shit had TPs and a quite limited range of useful items. I'm more than sure that AoC's markets will move even slower, so checking it every other hour could work just fine.

Either way, people will find a way to make their own kind of AH, be it discord groups, forum threads or player-made sites. And none of that can be bannable, unless Intrepid decide to completely forbid that, which imo would be quite dumb.

Please note that depending on the implementation, what the game does when someone ELSE in the area interacts with a stall and buys something, is broadcast that change to every player in the area so that their client can be up to date without having to recheck the database entry for the player's stall (for example, so that if two players are viewing the same stall and one makes a purchase from that stall, the other's client updates to prevent certain much more complex duping scenarios).

There are reasons why this would be possibly the best implementation depending on multiple factors (some others have lower actual security against duping and bugs, for example).

This information is easily tracked. You might receive it while afk. You might even receive it while standing in your own stall. Encoding does not generally matter because you can teach the sniffer to understand the data packet stream without knowing what the data represents exactly in many cases, since you can crossreference Item transactions to your own database. You can write programs to do that too, they are very short.

You now have enough information, I think, to clarify anything other than 'Packet Sniffing won't be allowed while your computer is running the Ashes client' and 'Intrepid obviously won't implement it that way'. Thank you for assisting as much as you have already.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-09-03 17:14:55

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Yeah, I'd want that. Played with that kind of system for years and liked it.

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