How should AoC deal with streamers/youtubers uploading DPS parsing videos using 3rd party programs?

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Actually I believe they could, in fact, ban your robot, in a very roundabout way (banning your account because you let your robot play for you on that account obviously, but beyond that too).

But 'Third Party Programs' clauses in Terms usually outline specific things that the Third Party Program is not allowed to do in ways that affect the game client (and some MMOs have been trying to also assert 'cannot intercept nor affect the data sent between the server and the client).

So obviously anyone who used anything that hooks into the Client or the Networking protocols in any way that can change it, is violating that type of ToS, and people who don't, aren't violating that section and need to be banned for some other reason (assuming they don't just ban for nothing, which they CAN do)

Intrepid would just need to come up with that 'some other reason', because it's easier to do that than worry about any legal situations from 'bans without reason'.

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You definitely shouldn't ban players for being 'too good'. This never ends well. The community backlash is almost always largely negative, because 'too good' is subjective.

There's not enough stuff that you can claim 'a human can't do' with enough certainty, so you'd be targeting people based on skill alone. It's a pretty bad look all around.

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That's a derail, but I think I can push it back.

So, mostly, Leveling in TableTop is for roleplay advancement and specialization. Then it started to be just for RP advancement in some games, and just for Specialization in other games.

Now, back to DPS and banning, if you have complex content, then your 'DPS' vs that content isn't directly based on build, it's based on specialization and ability to read situations, but some people still want to measure it and show off (in a group game, killing something slower or faster isn't always an indicator that YOU are playing well enough, so some people parse their performance to check or prove it).

If you create a bot to 'do the thing you normally do' and use it as a baseline check, and then make a video about it that shows how your bot works or talks about what your robot is doing, you've said "I don't care about rules relative to botting."

If you "do the thing you normally do" repeatedly yourself but you have a third party hook installed and make a video showing this off, you've said "I don't care about messing with or modifying the game client."

So Intrepid would probably take action.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-09-29 22:30:42

Ahh, I can already see the future 170+++ pages of nonsensical pointless arguments about nothing and everything :) DPS megathread 2: meter boogaloo

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