Be really honest with what was shown yesterday about the Ranger.

I mean, to me, that aerial attack looked way more "explosive" than some sliding around like a breakdancer.

The speed of the combat seems good and they've shown perfect representation of Ranger's skillset. There was a long slow but powerful charged shot, a super fast low but rising dmg triple shot and that aerial attack showed the "explosiveness" and the potential for mobility.

Imo this was a much much better showcase of what the archetype will be than what we saw with the previous combat showcase.

It's a weird request because what was shown isn't necessarily a representation of "Ranger", so I think I agree with your last paragraph the most.

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Any unfinished thing will obviously appear unfinished.

I do have a thought though. Steven kept saying things like 'wanting to hold back some stuff until Alpha-2', but I thought about it and I realized... I really don't know why one would do this at all?

Alpha-2 isn't REALLY a 'product being sold' that they need to maintain some hype for. If there was more to show, anything that was mostly finished, but could influence our opinion for the better and improve feedback, I don't really understand why one wouldn't show it.

Azherae wrote: »

Alpha-2 isn't REALLY a 'product being sold' that they need to maintain some hype for. If there was more to show, anything that was mostly finished, but could influence our opinion for the better and improve feedback, I don't really understand why one wouldn't show it.

I think it's the classic "most people will never understand that it's an alpha". As much as we and/or Intrepid want to show the most current development of things, the masses, that would see those things on smth like Asmon's stream or those who just get recommended clips from the stream, would just complain that "this shit looks unfinished and/or broken". Especially when you consider that most clips are usually torn out of Steven's double, or sometimes triple, context of "THIS IS AN ALPHA, YOU DUMBFUCKS, WE'RE TESTING UNFINISHED SHIT" (I'm obviously paraphrasing here, but the core message of his prefaces is the same).

Never underestimate how truly dumb the masses could be.

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Alpha-2 isn't REALLY a 'product being sold' that they need to maintain some hype for. If there was more to show, anything that was mostly finished, but could influence our opinion for the better and improve feedback, I don't really understand why one wouldn't show it.

I think it's the classic "most people will never understand that it's an alpha". As much as we and/or Intrepid want to show the most current development of things, the masses, that would see those things on smth like Asmon's stream or those who just get recommended clips from the stream, would just complain that "this shit looks unfinished and/or broken". Especially when you consider that most clips are usually torn out of Steven's double, or sometimes triple, context of "THIS IS AN ALPHA, YOU DUMBFUCKS, WE'RE TESTING UNFINISHED SHIT" (I'm obviously paraphrasing here, but the core message of his prefaces is the same).

Never underestimate how truly dumb the masses could be.

Right, I get that, but why treat it as 'holding some stuff back for Alpha-2' rather than just saying 'some other stuff isn't ready yet'?

The first reason I think this is confusing/bad is because it implies this is all we are going to get to see before Alpha-2 of the Ranger, for example. If Alpha-2 is close, fine, if not, eh?

I guess it could just be Steven going 'well I'll use this reasoning', but I think it's potentially a loss. If you had something good to show, then I say show it. They went into talking about Lore instead, which, honestly, I'd massively prefer that they definitely did not do . Why spoil 'story' stuff but be concerned about 'showing off Ranger Mechanics'? There certainly would be some development done on those between now and Alpha-2 anyway.

I guess It could be gearing up to another round of "Archetype Reveals" going into that, or maybe trying to make sure they focus the feedback down a bit, it just seems like a really strange reason to give for 'not showing us something'.

People already think things are unfinished or broken. That's never going to stop happening. But now, those who could explain potential ways they aren't broken, have no way to do that. If Intrepid doesn't know for certain either, it is what it is, though.

Azherae wrote: »

Right, I get that, but why treat it as 'holding some stuff back for Alpha-2' rather than just saying 'some other stuff isn't ready yet'?

I think it's just Steven's manner of speaking. Maybe it comes from his salesman days or just his own inherent character, but he quite often likes to hype stuff up even if that stuff isn't all that hype. And in cases like these, he uses language that could be seen as teasing smth or just withholding info to build anticipation.

I personally think that the team just said "we're not ready to show that yet, but we're working on it", and with previously stated promises of "archetypes will be shown before/during alpha2" (iirc), I'd assume that in Steven's mind anything that they're not showing presently will be definitely shown around alpha2. And depending on how soon that is, he might be keeping stuff for it just so that they could show it off as one big package to test. And I personally agree with the theories that allpha2 is way closer than we might think. Or, at the very least, Intrepid's very good at showing just enough stuff at just the right angle to lead us onto that kind of belief.