To me, as long as the use of any particular ability accomplishes your current goal - you were skilled enough to use that ability. Pointing at a fastmoving mob's head is only important if your main goal is to only make headshots and nothing else. Or if it's a required mechanic for smth.Do we consider that 'enough skill'?
To me, as long as the use of any particular ability accomplishes your current goal - you were skilled enough to use that ability. Pointing at a fastmoving mob's head is only important if your main goal is to only make headshots and nothing else. Or if it's a required mechanic for smth.Do we consider that 'enough skill'?
I meant it as smth on a smaller scale though. As in, in that clip, you had a mob that you wanted to hit and you hit it even though the reticle wasn't targeting the mob. The action skill still hit because the player knew its mechanics, had the goal of hitting the mob with said skill and had enough gamer skill to execute the action in such a way that achieved the goal."AoC Combat is skilled because it has goals and you can achieve them."?
What if the camera centered on your mouse and the "tab" press had a short range which would make people aim more with their mouse to tab a target rather than just hitting "tab"?We have not received permission from Dummo to share the quoted post.
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L2 needed you to mouse click your targets because not only were there too many enemies on the screen to tab through them, but also because the "tab" function had a short range (far shorter than the ranged attacks one) so you had to have good "pixel hunting" skills.
Would that be considered "requiring skill" in the context of tab targeting? Cause to me it is, but I'm heavily biased towards that kind of mechanic.
Light armor had an augment that had a chance to detarget your attacker, so pretty much any class that used light armor could have this as their base. 2/3 rogues had detarget abilities, with all of them having a retarget one. Iirc Archer stun ability had a detarget. Elemental mages had a fucking detargeting aoe ability around their character (small range, so positioning mattered a lot). My favorite super OP mage class had a mid range single target attack with a detargeting chance.I also meant to ask you, in the same vein, just how MUCH 'detarget your opponent's tab lock' was there in Lineage at the higher levels?
Because at the moment, this is the main thing I can see making this system enjoyable for me rather than just 'something okay that I have to engage with and hope it is balanced better than it looks'.
Light armor had an augment that had a chance to detarget your attacker, so pretty much any class that used light armor could have this as their base. 2/3 rogues had detarget abilities, with all of them having a retarget one. Iirc Archer stun ability had a detarget. Elemental mages had a fucking detargeting aoe around their character (small range, so positioning mattered a lot). My favorite super OP mage class had a mid range single target attack with a detargeting chance.I also meant to ask you, in the same vein, just how MUCH 'detarget your opponent's tab lock' was there in Lineage at the higher levels?
Because at the moment, this is the main thing I can see making this system enjoyable for me rather than just 'something okay that I have to engage with and hope it is balanced better than it looks'.
I thiiink that's it. So considering the average party setup, only the fighter classes didn't have shit like that. But they'd quite often wear light armor because it gave them more dmg, so even there they'd have a chance at detargeting. And on top of that, quite often you'd have a dark elf rogue character in your fighter party because he had good debuffs.
In other words you had a shitton and quite often low-mid skill players would get absolutely lost if they lost their target, so the feature itself was really effective.
Edit : Oh! Also, there was one rogue that was literally all about detargeting. He had a top lvl buff that had a high chance to detarget and he had the light armor, the rogue detargeting and retargeting abilities. These motherfuckers were insanely annoying (they also had a pretty long dash buff, so mobility was through the roof too). They were also fat as fuck so usually you'd try to leave them for the last victim, but them being rogues meant that they could one or two shot your healer, so you had to deal with them in other ways more often than not. They had very mid dmg for a rogue and abilities could miss quite often, so that was the tradeoff.
Yep, I've been saying this since I started chatting on the forum and commenting in threads about tab vs action. Detargeting is a fucking must and would definitely raise the skill ceiling on that part of the game.Thank you. This is what I think I want to see and would solve any concerns for me.
If 'Tab Detarget' is common, then I would think that the way the game is built now relative to Targeting is good. I feel you could make a real argument that 'you need skill to use Tab Target' if you're usually fighting GvG and often your opponent is forcing your target lock to drop, especially if it makes non-Action skills miss.
If most 'great mobility' moves other than like... Tank's rush, also Detarget, I will definitely be satisfied and I would then have to ask others why they weren't.
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I was talking in the context of how the camera would shift from one mode to the other. So how I see it, you'd have to run around targeting stuff with your mouse (mainly) and when you needed/wanted to go into action mode the reticle would be on your mouse location and the camera would softly shift perspective a bit lower (ideally with options for speed of the shift).We have not received permission from Sengarden to share the quoted post.
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