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Post by George_Black on 2022-10-28 22:18:23

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-10-28 22:34:01

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Hell, the lvl1 gatherer meme would literally work now, because everyone can just make a quick alt and go chop trees. And ya ain't PKing those bois with your mains. So you'd have to go down the George route of making lvl5 dudes to PK those lvl1 dudes, except your alts will stat dampen to all hell pretty quickly, while the lvl1 gatherers couldn't care less because they can either make more alts or just keep cutting trees on the og alt, if XP debt doesn't influence artisan stuff (which I don't think it does in any way).

This shit is really starting to seem more and more abusable by the minute.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-10-28 22:48:37

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Nah, I ain't getting myself unneeded XP debt on my main, f that. I'm making a lvl1 gatherer (or whichever will be the smallest lvl possible for this trick) and go fuck up some node's resources. EZ

I sure as hell hope Intrepid has some solutions to this and Steven just forgot to mention those (or I might've missed them? gonna rewatch it later).

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-10-28 23:15:43

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A guild decided to sunk a node. That node needs a ton of mats to prepare proper defenses. They need rocks and trees in huge amounts. The guild prepares everything for the siege scroll, then makes the minimum lvl alts to go farm out every tree and rock in that node, so that they don't respawn for some time. Depending on the size of the node and the guild, this might take one evening.

The guild then uses the scroll and now the node citizens have to go to other nodes to get all of those resources. But all the others nodes are not interested in destroying their own ecosystems so they block the intruders to the best of their ability.

If that original node has allied nodes - the guild can just go farm out their lands too. Because again, for a big enough guild that's not a problem at all. I dunno if you've played on mid-high rate private servers of L2, but even on those more relaxed servers I managed to make my guildies make several alts for several bosses and then use them to farm said bosses. This was in semi-casual guilds of big size too. And, in theory, AoC's guilds wouldn't even need to level up those alts, because "you see a tree - you chop a tree".

And so after all of that, you have yourself an unprotected node about to get sieged by a big guild (which might also have allies). And that node couldn't really do anything about it, because PKing dozens of lvl1s would put them so fucking deep in XP debt that their chars would no longer exist.

There's a chance that the victim node might try buying all the required mats in other nodes and tries to transfer them, which will then lead to the attacking guild raiding those caravans and benefiting even more from the whole situation.

Imo that sounds like shitty design with 0 risk for a ton of reward, while also bordering on bullying the victim (though that's highly debatable).

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-10-28 23:48:00

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Again, all it takes is literally one semi-big guild. You've played L2, you must know how guilds can be quite well-coordinated. Especially when the reward is nice. Deleveling a node will be one of the biggest rewards in the game, because it might be in the way of your node's progress.

Spending one evening to completely fuck up some node's ecosystem is literally nothing to an even semi-coordinated big guild. They'll just make alts and go gather everything they see in the target node.

The only thing that could stop this is a huge lvl gate on gathering resources, which would go directly against the ability to become an artisan from the lowest lvls. There's a small chance that nodes will only have some super high quality resources that can only be farmed by high lvl artisans, but I doubt that'll be the case.

If anything, your suggestion of "just PK them" would take so much more coordination amongst plain neighbors rather than already coordinated guildmates.

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