How do PVE players feel about the Land Management System?

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I never really understood this. If you're not only ok with pvp as a concept and, potentially, have gear that's good enough to participate in pvp events - why not just fight back and shorten the "wasting" of your time by A LOT? I can understand the position of people that hate pvp as a concept, but not the ones that still pvp otherwise.

I could kinda see why explorers would try and avoid pvp completely, mainly because they're always on the move and it's pointless to stop and fight, but in pretty much all other cases you're staying in some location and if there's a person who're attacking you in that location - you'll have a hard time remaining there if you don't fight. And unless Intrepid changes corruption trigger to attacks rather than killing blows - players will just keep nagging you to leave the location w/o killing you (nameplate decay status will help them).

NiKr wrote: »

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I never really understood this. If you're not only ok with pvp as a concept and, potentially, have gear that's good enough to participate in pvp events - why not just fight back and shorten the "wasting" of your time by A LOT? I can understand the position of people that hate pvp as a concept, but not the ones that still pvp otherwise.

I could kinda see why explorers would try and avoid pvp completely, mainly because they're always on the move and it's pointless to stop and fight, but in pretty much all other cases you're staying in some location and if there's a person who're attacking you in that location - you'll have a hard time remaining there if you don't fight. And unless Intrepid changes corruption trigger to attacks rather than killing blows - players will just keep nagging you to leave the location w/o killing you (nameplate decay status will help them).

L2 has spoiled you! You with your 'meaningful PvP' and 'people whose emotions aren't basically fear/ego based lizardbrain activity'! Hmf.

It's because of three things.

• A mindset shift that is required for those who are not constantly in the mental PvP state.
• The super annoying way that someone who thought they were gonna win easily but is now losing, starts to fight
• The knowledge that by doing this you make yourself a target for time-wasting due to the above

These things are fine and a positive to a person whose mind is often in PvP mode, or who experiences positive emotions from participating or just winning against other players who fight in annoying ways, but generally, the sort of person who 'jumps you for solo oWPvP' in games like this is one of the worst types of people and often, they don't even know how to FIGHT well.

I don't know if you've ever been around when I explained this (I feel like I was trying to get Mag to an understanding of something) but even in games where PvP is the ONLY thing you can do with other players, there are some who will aim to suck all the fun out of it to avoid losing, or just 'to get revenge on you for winning' because it is the only way they can 'hurt' you.

Honestly, weak PvP opponents and KarmaBomber 'PvE' players are not very different mentally, just a difference in what they feel they are 'entitled' to.

Azherae wrote: »

L2 has spoiled you! You with your 'meaningful PvP' and 'people whose emotions aren't basically fear/ego based lizardbrain activity'! Hmf.

Guilty as charged

Azherae wrote: »

I don't know if you've ever been around when I explained this (I feel like I was trying to get Mag to an understanding of something) but even in games where PvP is the ONLY thing you can do with other players, there are some who will aim to suck all the fun out of it to avoid losing, or just 'to get revenge on you for winning' because it is the only way they can 'hurt' you.

Honestly, weak PvP opponents and KarmaBomber 'PvE' players are not very different mentally, just a difference in what they feel they are 'entitled' to.

Yeah, I've seen quite a few people like that in L2 and considering that a fair bit of my career in that game was spent on higher rated servers, deaths didn't mean AS much, so such people would often try their best to use the worst tactics in pvp just to spite an opponent that was stronger than them.

To me this behavior shone the brightest when fighting against people of my main class. The class itself was teetering on being OP, due to its buff steal ability (short cd) and high mobility. And ~80% of players of this class would purely play it as a "fuck you" kind of class, rather than someone who could kill people in a direct fight.

I took a lot of pride in killing such players through "proper" means and, overall, doing my best to show other people that I wasn't like them. Maybe that desire is one of the biggest reasons why I can't quite understand non-pvpers. Cause on top of my inherent preference for fighting, I was always "proving" smth to others, so even when I was just minding my own business farming some stuff - if someone attacked me, I'd always fight back to show them that I was a "true pvper". PvErs ain't got nothing to prove, and most definitely not smth related to pvp.

I plan to have a more pvping gatherer alt character in Ashes, so I'll see how my behavior will be influenced by a game that is much more about pure gathering than just "kill mobs and get shit". Though for now I definitely don't see myself not fighting back if attacked while gathering

NiKr wrote: »

I plan to have a more pvping gatherer alt character in Ashes, so I'll see how my behavior will be influenced by a game that is much more about pure gathering than just "kill mobs and get shit". Though for now I definitely don't see myself not fighting back if attacked while gathering

The important thing to remember is that it's simply unpleasant.

You have the buffer of 'feeling good, proving something', because that's how your mind works. I have just as much interest in PvP but I 'unfortunately' lack that response, so, for example, I tire of opponents in the games I play after a bit, even when I'm beating them.

Even when I'm 'proving their style doesn't work', as soon as they double down, I become increasingly more bored with them. It makes getting enough practice difficult.

Translate that to a game like Ashes, where I 'log in to fight a cool boss', get attacked while fighting it, try to fight back, die because I was fighting the boss, leave the boss to the person who killed me, watch them fail at it 6 times, then they stop.

Imagine that I re-engage the boss after THEIR sixth failure, hoping to have the 'fun I was thinking of' now that they've learned they can't beat it.

Guess what happens next...

Even if you assume that I fight that player to ensure my own safety in the boss fight and beat them quite badly in a duel, you know how that's going to go.

So really, it's not that 'PvP players' are an obstacle to 'enjoying the non-PvP parts of the game'. I wouldn't expect you to attack me mid-Katzvariak for no reason, far less 'disrupt me fighting it after I let you try six times yourself'.

But we're not talking about you. No matter how much I love PvP, I'm DEFINITELY going to try to get the type of person I'm talking about to be Corrupted (that'd be random chance ofc but I'd still try). I'm not gonna flag up on that type of idiot. Especially if them going Red means that if I CAN kill them they will spawn further away.