My quest for fixing gaming community

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Ok good. So, if everyone else in this thread has played MMOs that ALSO required you to do this, would you say that we are all equal in understanding to a serious MMO-conservative such as yourself?

If everyone that is talking about how WoW is not THAT great, also is saying this because they played games where you have to farm items to sell to other players, if you want Consumables, do you think maybe their opinions might make more sense?

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You are just having difficulty seeing what we are talking about.

Lemme try the emotional attack angle.

WoW sucks FFXI does all that stuff but better.

EDIT: For all others, I'm about to go into an exaggerated trolling 'emo-attack' mode on purpose to see if it makes any difference. If you were not caring, please continue not caring, this is a caricature. If you were caring but leaving it to me (those people know who they are) you may now ignore this.

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Nah, it was too easy.

I played a game with way more hardcore preparing. WoW was lame ez mode lol.

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Final Fantasy XI.

I didn't play WoW because I was too busy getting ready to do content for the SECOND EXPANSION (technically first expansion in the Western release) of my objectively better game.

You only have to look at the Food . WoW's food system is lame, it's barely even an interesting consumable. FFXI's food system and potions are way better, and the game doesn't even drop gold from mobs except a few that drop like 20, and you need 2000 to buy food.

Mages conjuring food was a joke to me. Hard pass on that noise.

EDIT: Added links for you, you don't gotta use 'em.

I really hate that this is working...

Oh btw, yes, the only reason WoW became popular back then is literally because it was piss easy. It was the most casual of mmos of the time. Lineage 2 required you to grind for months just to get a bit better gear (not even a full set). And a single death there set you back several hours of hardcore grind at the best farming spot.

People lost weeks of playing when trying to kill a boss or during sieges. Oh and all the best in the genre open world pvp too! That pvp was so damn good that Steven copied it almost 1-to-1.

And from what I've heard EQ1 was also way more hardcore than WoW and there were several pvp mmos at the time that were even more hardcore in their designs than L2 was.

And stuff like Runescape seems to have been the grindiest shit ever too.

In other words, a lot of people here despise WoW (or at least dislike such frequent mentions of it) exactly because WoW was the reason why every single god damn mmo became a walk in the park after it. WoW ruined mmos for all the grindlovers. So, Veko, if you say that you liked WoW's grind - some of us see you as nothing more than a mere casual who doesn't even know what real grind and hardcoreness means.

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All that sort of stuff is 'what if' to you? Man, I pity WoW players...

Also lol at 'buy recipes'.

Y'all had it bad. I'm so sorry.

Back in MY DAY you had to wait FIFTEEN HOURS for the MOON PHASE to change so you could get the best chance of succeeding at a difficult crafting attempt.

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My poor decision in playing the better game and never leaving it to play weaksauce nonsense?

I accept your pity wholeheartedly.

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Superior to what? Get outta here with that nonsense. You basically started this. My FIRST post to you on this ENTIRE FORUM was to give you my sympathies. My SECOND post was to explain to you IN DETAIL why FFXI worked and how Ashes is likely to be similar to it.

You're the one here trolling, as far as I'm concerned. If you are ready to listen now, I'm happy to 'turn Troll mode back off'.

(Except that I'm about to go to a Besieged in the same game and ironically it is fighting a Troll army so I wouldn't actually respond again until we have repelled their attack since their leader is here and three of our Generals have been captured).

See ya in a bit. I have a city to save.

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Yeah, because of WoW people became impatient and toxic. We know that.

We played better games and didn't bother playing WoW.

Everything you say you want in games was done better in games before WoW .

You were just unlucky and ended up playing the one that ruined it all in the end.

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I agree.

And I'm sorry (for what it's worth) that you got 'attacked' for your WoW stuff.

But you also got dismissed for not listening to the people who were trying to tell you things.

It is foolish to listen to one who will not listen to you. Do as you wish.

- Seijuro Hiko
(Rurouni Kenshin)

I'm just here being foolish as usual, hoping that you'll maybe STOP long enough to understand what people are telling you and move past the 'They attacked me for liking WoW!' thing.

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Steven will make a great game.

He PROBABLY will not look at WoW very much, for reference on how to make it. He has better references. You just haven't played them.

That's all.