Simple proof of Vanilla WoW prep before raid

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Btw, @Noaani I don't remember if this was discussed in one of these 12 fucking same threads, but what was the situation with consumables in AA? And with their role in the bigger economy of the game.

I know that AoC's crafting and economy inspirations might be closer to EVE or SWG, but still. L2's economy was pretty much based on a consumable, so, in case Steven pushes for his own inspirations when discussing these designs, what the situation in AA was?

At this point I think you're either an intricate bot or just a troll

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It might be a test of a very tuned bot, but as a person who writes bots with this capability, if not purpose...

The data doesn't quite line up. The salience values would probably be higher when I run the posts through my parser, since bot outputs NORMALLY create patterns that show up in salience.

I'm not saying 'this isn't a bot'. I'm saying that it's a massive amount of effort for a bot to gather information of a type they already have.

Things like that 'some people (many)' is a lot less likely in bot output, because the abstraction type is hard for chatbots to generate.

If that IS a bot, I wanna meet whoever wrote it.

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If that IS a bot, I wanna meet whoever wrote it.

It might just be the same case as when you said that your gameplay in an mmo can come off as that of a bot's. Maybe Veko's personality is just that close to how an AI would feel.

I treated the first few threads and discussions with Veko involved as just a maybe not english native speaker who has had a singular big mmo experience and only had that as their pov. And I thought to myself "hell, that's exactly like me". But the more circular discussions there's been and the more explanations Veko has gotten about other games - literally nothing changed. And not only that, but Veko keeps writing the exact same things in different threads.

Now we obviously have several "quirky" people on this forum (me definitely included), but there's gotta be at least some limit to how much a person can avoid understanding information that's been repeated to them time after time. Though maybe that's just my own malleability influencing my pov on people who're not as malleable.

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

If that IS a bot, I wanna meet whoever wrote it.

It might just be the same case as when you said that your gameplay in an mmo can come off as that of a bot's. Maybe Veko's personality is just that close to how an AI would feel.

I treated the first few threads and discussions with Veko involved as just a maybe not english native speaker who has had a singular big mmo experience and only had that as their pov. And I thought to myself "hell, that's exactly like me". But the more circular discussions there's been and the more explanations Veko has gotten about other games - literally nothing changed. And not only that, but Veko keeps writing the exact same things in different threads.

Now we obviously have several "quirky" people on this forum (me definitely included), but there's gotta be at least some limit to how much a person can avoid understanding information that's been repeated to them time after time. Though maybe that's just my own malleability influencing my pov on people who're not as malleable.

This seems to be the more reasonable perspective. I'm much more used to this being the case.

It actually helps a lot with my work, so I guess I have new material now for this week.

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So you literally couldn't take the "proper" lvls of grind, went back to the game when it became EVEN MORE CASUAL and then decided that NOW you loved grind? And you're now pushing grind onto other people?

I suggest you draw a parallel between your own actions and the responses of others to your suggestions. You couldn't play the game because it required you to grind. So you quit it. You then came back when you found out that there's an easier way to play that didn't seem as much of a grind to you (as if.... YOU WERE ENJOYING THE PROCESS).

Now look at the responses people have given you. Most people said "they don't want grind" and some said "even if there is some grind, it should be the one that the players can enjoy". So pretty much everyone who's responded to you LITERALLY AGREES WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. But you've misconstrued your own pov to such a point that most of your comments can only bring out hateful responses. Half of the reason for that is probably your lack of ability to properly understand and express your own preferences and half of that is your lack of experience in mmos.

But the latter could be sidestepped if only the former didn't completely ruin your ability to look at what people have been telling you this whole time from a 3rd person pov.

Everyone wants AoC's economy to be strong and well-designed. Everyone wants in-game items to matter and be valuable (that's part of the economy being well-designed). Everyone wants to have the kind of grind that they'd themselves prefer. And all of those "wants" culminate in just a single design. That is of a deep and intricate artisanal system.

A good artisanal system will have sinks. A good artisanal system will have small personal scale (with small easy numbers that you like so much) with a huge potential for immense depth of market trade (where you'd need a calculator). And all of that would support "gold being valuable".

These past few days of these samey threads and discussions were of such utter uselessness and pointlessness that it frustrates me to no end. Everyone was pretty much agreeing with everyone else, but the arguing kept on going. JFC

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Nah, I was exaggerating a bit to drive the point deeper. These threads even helped Azherae's data a bit, so that's the silver lining.