Simple proof of Vanilla WoW prep before raid

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Yes, and we're all saying that we want an economy that purely based on consumables being valuable. We want those to be valuable, but we want the economy itself to be much deeper and better than that.

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And as most repliers have already said - WE LITERALLY WANT THE SAME THING. Except we want more than a super simplistic system, while all you are asking is the biggest simplicity of all.

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And as my Asmon clip showed, some people hated wasting money on random consumables just to get to do what they preferred (those being raids). And if you watch more context from that clip, there was dissatisfaction with the concept of world buffs too(at least as they were presented in WoW). In other words, even people that played the same game (though iirc you didn't even play vanilla) disagree with you on some points. So no wonder that people who have played better games with better systems would disagree with you even more.

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When the majority of your target audience disagrees with your design decisions - you've fucked up those decisions. Lore can be presented through countless means and I'm sure Blizz could've found one that didn't bore and tire their entire playerbase.

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I've played a much better owpvp game. And consumables didn't have anything to do with the meaningfulness of farming or owpvp that happened while farming. And as I stated before, pretty much the entire economy of L2 was propped up on a single type of consumable.

The meaning comes from the things you get while farming, not from what you use during that time. WoW's best gear came from dungeons where there was no pvp, so it was inherently meaningless (outside of lore implications). To remedy this Blizz decided to frontload that farm by making people grind shit they didn't want to grind (random consumables and world buffs). And from the things I've heard, quite a lot of people had to literally stop playing the game after getting ready for their raid, because their readiness would be in danger if they had continued playing the game.

To me that sounds asinine. There's no meaning in a pointless grind that then leads to you not playing the game for a long period of time. There're games that have done raid preparations better and the process itself was way more integrated into the overall economy of the game and different styles of gameplay. Most people on this forum support Intrepid in their desire to get inspirations from those games instead of WoW.

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I, yet again, remind you that quite a lot of people on these forums come from games that WoW copied and whose features it made more casual. We've all grinded things for months and knew the real value of gold. And we're all saying that we want that kind of value back. Steven himself wants it back, which is why he chose to use the maga slogan. You are the mainstream here, not us.

But what we also want is the separation of said grind, so that more people could enjoy the game. So that a casual alchemist who plays 1h a day can enjoy the game as much as a hardcore grind raider does. Which seems to be the same thing that you propose buried sometimes somewhere very deep in your comments about wow and consumables.

Which is why I keep telling you that a lot of people on this forum agree with you, but just want a much better system that you're proposing. This system would still have valuable consumables and would still have valuable currency, but it would be deeper than just that.

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So you're saying that the system was shit, until they fixed it 15 years later. Got it.