Influencers & Streamers in Ashes of Creation [Server Type Discussion]

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Ask any anti-pvp person on this forum (or anywhere else) and they'll tell you that having pvp in their pve is the same as, in the words of a great thinker of our times , "a dick in their salad". This is where the hardcoreness and pvp-centrism comes from. I might love that, you might love that, but the majority of people are either used to the WoW's idea of "pvp", where you just slaughter the enemy w/o any repercussions, or they hate pvp outright. And so we instead get the guilds that are not only fine with that pvp, but thrive on it and can control it to their benefit. And that control has a much greater impact than something like Asmon's viewers who share his opinions on pvp, which are "I fucking hate it cause it's not fun for me".

Who do you think would win? A highly coordinated guild (not even necessarily a big one) that's great at pvp and wants to pvp (and might even be ready to PK often) or a bunch of anti-pvp spergs that only logged on because they thought they'd get to meet their favorite strimmer in the game?

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Will they though? Do you really think that a genre that's been rolling down a mountain of "pvp is bad, mkay" for over a decade now will suddenly start rolling back up just because an indie dev company releases a semi-interesting game (that is if it releases and if it's interesting)? NW was supposed to have owpvp - we all know how that ended. TL is the biggest and strongest contender for L2's legacy - it'll have timed owpvp within predetermined limited locations. Riot is allegedly promising to have pvp in it, but I'd put the chances of it being a true owpvp design at around 5%, if that.

Anyone who loved pvp have moved on to other genres that support equal power and don't require you to play the game for hundreds of hours to enjoy the pvp. I just hope that Intrepid manages to balance their corruption correctly and has enough players to sustain it for a decade or two, cause I'm damn sure that no other mmo will have owpvp in it.

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Which is my point. The streamer viewing masses won't have a proper impact on economy or the game overall because they'll be dead most of the time or just concentrated in one place. And a group of people concentrated in one location is no different from a guild.

This is why I don't see streamers as that big of a problem. The only real problem related to them is the exodus of players and the impact of THAT on the game. But this will happen even w/o streamers so once again they're irrelevant.

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I'm not sure I fully understood this. Are you suggesting banning streamer people if they're playing on a streaming-restricted server? Cause I'd imagine that parsing their character's name from their stream and then matching it to all the active characters on those servers would be a bit more difficult than just looking at who's streaming on twitch.

Also, if this was a known application of this ban, people would just cover up any potential visual of their name. Which would then probably lead to some people trying to find them in the game and then report them to Intrepid, which would waste GM time when instead those GMs coulda been addressing bot problems and literally any more pressing issue.

And the netflix approach of "black screen" (iirc) wouldn't work against 2-PC setups or phone streams or whichever other method people would definitely find if they wanted to.

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Yeah, my bad. Didn't notice the dialogue partner change

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I did read the stuff below, but it was addressing the OP, so I didn't connect the two together (I know that's illogical )

I just misunderstood the twitch part here

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Cause netflix is checking the action on your PC and then blocks them. But twitch has nothing to do with the actions on your PC, it's just a platform that you stream to from the app you're using. So when I read "sniffing out a platform like twitch", I thought you meant that Intrepid would go through the entire Ashes category on twitch, look at what server the streamers are playing on and then try to ban them if they're playing on the streamer-restricted servers, because it'd be against the rules (in the context of streamers going around the "black screen" thing).

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The sad thing is, he and his audience represent quite a big part of AoC's target audience. The oldschool mmo players who, back in the day, loved the more hardcore design of mmos, but with time became evermore sheltered. Obviously his audience mostly played WoW, which was already way more casual even back then, but still.

I'm not saying that Intrepid have to listen to their takes and follow only them when making design decisions, but that audience will be quite a nice representation of the potential response of the masses. And that should be taken into the account, when preparing for the inevitable huge wave of feedback. I hope Intrepid are ready for it and are ready to stand their ground on their own goals and ideals. Though my hope in that is slowly dying with each new piece of info about the corruption system.

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Have they explicitly stated that they'll be scanning our PCs? Cause after a lot of "dps meter" thread reading I learned that there'll definitely be meter programs that won't even interact with the game, so directed scanning would probably get them but I'd assume that kind of thing would eat up PC power and could potentially lead to lag or something similar. And that would be on top of the privacy issues this kind of scanning would bring up.

Yes, they've said that they're against meters and addons, but I don't remember if they've explained how exactly they gonna deal with those.