Greens unable to be CCd

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-03-28 16:18:02

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Because the game needs limitations if it wants to have owpvp that won't just devolve into "everyone kills everyone w/o any repercussions". We all know that you'd love to just have ffa pvp with no corruption and everyone just killing any carebear-looking player, but quite a lot of us don't want that :)

Also, if a ganker is fine with corruption penalties they're free to force attack everything, greens included. But I doubt there'll be dumb people like that. Though I could definitely see someone enabling that and them coming onto forums to whine about karmabombing and that kind of shit.

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Post by Azherae on 2023-03-28 16:48:44

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The problem is that you sometimes champion solutions/repercussions that only work en masse if the game is either PermaDeath or Full Loot (and sometimes not even this one) while calling anyone who disagrees with those (in that specific case) a carebear who isn't listening.

The impression you give is that you're the worst type of person for us 'carebears' to play with, and that you'd prefer we just didn't play at all or had to be functionally subservient to anyone with 'strength'. It's a perspective that should probably be considered, but it's hard to get people I know to take you as anything but a murderhobo, even amongst the strifelords, edgelords and bandits around here (and even my friends who are those things consider you extreme).

I'm not saying to change your stance, but maybe try less hard to make your points.

Post by Arya_Yeshe on 2023-03-28 16:59:19

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Post by Azherae on 2023-03-28 17:05:00

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Right, and I agree. There's a bunch of abuses from both sides if the systems allow for any loopholes. Anything that can be done 'without repercussions' for either side.

But 'green can't be CC'ed' is definitely one of the things where if it exists, the 'loopholes' that greens can use are relatively minor, but it closes huge loopholes that more aggressive players can use, so if one had to choose one of those, you'd choose that one.

The other thing is, as NiKr and the other L2 players will tell you, this isn't really a 'change' at all. This is 'how it worked for them' for some time, and therefore it could easily always have been Steven's intention to strongly consider it.

The game is really not likely to get worse this way than the other way.

The Corruption system itself might have flaws, but the flaws it has are debatable and could easily be 'not flaws' depending on how Steven wants the game to feel. If the game is supposed to feel 'consistent', then sure, it should have instances, and safe areas, and some other stuff.

Something's got to give, but Corruption could just as easily be the basis for changes to economy, as the other way around would be.

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-03-28 18:36:37

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Asmon is the pinnacle of what you'd call a carebear. And he says that leveling should be meaningful, but I'd bet money that he'd be complaining throughout the whole experience if it was, even if the game was fun on the low lvls. He hates anything even semidifficult and is very easy to ragequit a game if he find a mechanic or two annoying.

I'm more than certain that he won't be able to survive in Ashes, especially if any of your suggestions get even close to being implemented.

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-03-28 18:55:42

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I've only been watching him for a few years, but I've only seen him become an even bigger carebear. And even in that video he kept insisting that only a fraction of the playerbase is interested in hardcore classic. And pretty much 80% of his feedback goes against AoC's core pillars. It will be one of the most uncomfortable games for him and he'll complain non-stop while playing it.

I just hope that Intrepid don't listen to him and his audience too much, cause they'll definitely push for a whole 180 in design.

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-03-28 19:21:43

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And this is exactly why you're seen as a murderhobo. Being able to do anything usually devolves into harassment and abuse of other people, so devs have to address that beforehand. But you dislike when they do so in their design.

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-03-28 21:20:04

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And corruption has rules to stop you from doing that, because if just a few people do this, hundreds of players will leave. And if there's a few people like that on each server - the game will lose thousands and thousands in revenue.

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