Resurrection in combat

Post by tautau on 2023-04-28 19:50:22

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-04-28 19:52:10

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Yep, loved that in L2 and glad it's here as well.

Post by Mag7spy on 2023-04-28 20:51:11

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Post by Azherae on 2023-04-28 20:55:13

Bring on the Phoenix Downs.

(I think they can't consider that Infringement, right?)

I AM now more 'supportive' of Weakness/Brink of Death though. I don't mind Resurrection being easy, it's 'getting back into the fight quickly afterward' that I think is a problem. Not necessarily a problem for every source of Resurrection, but certainly for Item ones.

Even if they don't stack, it's an issue. FFXI solves this by having the 'Rare/EX' tag for items (can't be traded, can't hold more than one), to prevent people from just 'bringing a character whose job is to keep reviving people', but I don't know if that would fit in Ashes well.

Post by Mag7spy on 2023-04-28 21:51:18

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Post by Ludullu on 2023-04-30 01:26:54

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My OP says that I'm gonna ask about rez items and that was the question that got answered. The "in combat" part was purely a community feel thing. As others here said, alpha1 already had combat rez. Intrepid might still change that, but that's gonna be a thing to test in alpha2.

Post by akabear on 2023-04-30 11:08:03

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Post by Ludullu on 2024-01-31 20:27:17

@Mag7spy GET FOOOOOOKED :D

jk, but Steven confirmed combat mass rez :)

Post by Mag7spy on 2024-01-31 20:30:53

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Post by Ludullu on 2024-01-31 20:33:07

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Eh, ttk got no balance. Rez cd should definitely depend on it though, 1 cast from 1 healer per 5-10 min battle should be fine (or maybe 2-3 casts, if they depend on synergy from several clerics).

Post by Mag7spy on 2024-01-31 20:34:22

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Post by Ludullu on 2024-01-31 20:36:15

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I feel like it should be quite a bit slower, but we won't know either till waay later in A2.

Post by Mag7spy on 2024-01-31 20:39:21

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Post by Ludullu on 2024-01-31 20:44:46

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Ah, I missed that. Well that's shit. Oh well.

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Post by Mag7spy on 2024-02-01 00:17:55

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Post by Ludullu on 2024-02-01 00:22:54

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Yeah, I mentioned that in my feedback. Current ttk is low because we don't have proper heals/defenses. But I feel like the problem is that this is the aimed time.

I'd personally prefer if characters could live through a single strong salvo from several enemies (in the context of proper defensive buffing). Mainly because not living through it will simply lead to the stuff George was talking about a few months back. Ranged groups who assist-kill anyone on sight, simply because you wouldn't even be able to react before they one-shot half of your group and then you simply cannot respond to them.

Post by Mag7spy on 2024-02-01 00:33:02

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Post by Azherae on 2024-02-01 00:39:45

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Yeah, I mentioned that in my feedback. Current ttk is low because we don't have proper heals/defenses. But I feel like the problem is that this is the aimed time.

I'd personally prefer if characters could live through a single strong salvo from several enemies (in the context of proper defensive buffing). Mainly because not living through it will simply lead to the stuff George was talking about a few months back. Ranged groups who assist-kill anyone on sight, simply because you wouldn't even be able to react before they one-shot half of your group and then you simply cannot respond to them.

I've done half the analysis, if it is relevant at all.

The current TTK isn't because of proper heals or defenses. If anything, with their current design, this is only going to get worse.

By that, I mean that players will keep finding ways to pull the TTK down and the Devs will struggle to keep it from going any lower than it is now. Or, we're gonna get another BDO/gear carried situation.

Well, that's just a theory...

Post by Vaknar on 2024-02-01 01:30:41

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Post by Azherae on 2024-02-01 01:32:17

Analysis complete, feedback given.

NiKr, does this compare to L2, for you? I'm trying to figure out where the baseline design for this came from.

It doesn't look like AA (the good period) to me, it doesn't look like Alpha-1, it doesn't look like L2 (to me). It's probably bias, but it mostly looks like BDO, but with less skill requirement.

Even if we were to say 'but balance will matter', it can't matter in the WAY being referred to, you're never going to be unable to take these specific group types, or probably unable to build these abilities. I guess they could make them all weaker, but that would only make it 'balanced', not 'fun' or 'strategic'.

So, what is this? Is this a natural evolution of L2, but explicitly with all the problems George said would happen? Just your gut feeling is fine.

Post by nanfoodle on 2024-02-01 02:09:36

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Post by Depraved on 2024-02-01 02:32:52

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Post by Azherae on 2024-02-01 02:42:35

It's obviously random after a filter, Depraved.

First they have to remove all the stuff 'they have answered already and can just be wiki linked', then 'stuff that has incredibly simple answers (at least some of them), then the questions they can't answer yet (there's no point to those, I still get those too).

So I learned 'which questions won't get answered'. I have a lot of other questions, but I know they won't get answered so I don't ask them, because it's not the type of random where they will 'pick my question and then say they don't have an answer', unless it's important for the community to know that there isn't any answer.

NiKr's questions are similar. Beyond that, it's your confirmation bias.

And as Vaknar points out above, Intrepid is actually interested in this topic, so answering the question helps them too. It just didn't get into the random selection for the last 2 streams, so it would have been the usual 'We wanted to, but didn't have time to answer this, please ask again'.

Got any data for Vaknar that you haven't given already, about the thread topic?

EDIT: Dammit I missed the chance to structure this post around how it's a Pareto Distribution...

Post by Diamaht on 2024-02-01 05:27:38

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