Corruption/pvp

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The point is that the punishment is proportional. It's only severe to a specific type of person.

If I go red in my best gear, the punishment is severe.

If I go red in my backup/test gear, the punishment is smaller.

By that reasoning, Intrepid is either 'not controlling the punishment at all', 'discouraging people from wearing their good gear to PK', or 'discouraging well geared players from PK-ing' at 'worst', but this doesn't lead to 'PK won't happen' except for a specific type of person. That's the point that, from my perspective, 'you' are missing. Intrepid has a goal, whether you consider it reasonable or not, that 'players who have gear that is worth hundreds of hours of effort do not use that gear against noncombatants in the open world regardless of being annoyed by them'.

So that's the deal. Some people don't consider 'you may drop gear if Corrupted' as severe because they 'understand' that the game is telling them 'don't beat a person who isn't fighting back to death with your best hammer'.

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Except this is not some random crime. It's a murder. Losing an item (we don't even know the rng chances btw)
is not even that big of a punishment. We also don't know the details of how those items will be chosen or how they'll track what exactly can be dropped. There might be several ways to circumvent the system.

And while I'd support a sort of threshold of PKs before which you can't drop items, considering how harsh the currently planned punishments will be - I highly doubt this will change all that much.

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No.

And I understand that you do, but that's the thing we can consider the 'crucial difference'. I don't think this is bad design, I don't think it's silly. I think it is normal because that's what the game is trying to achieve, to make it so that 'those in very good gear don't randomly PK'.

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No.

And I understand that you do, but that's the thing we can consider the 'crucial difference'. I don't think this is bad design, I don't think it's silly. I think it is normal because that's what the game is trying to achieve, to make it so that 'those in very good gear don't randomly PK'.

Actually, to clarify, I'm only taking issue with one point here.

Any implication that the game is 'too carebear' and 'no one will PK'.

People 'should' take off their best gear and PK if they wanna PK. If you meet some random person in the open world and that person annoys you "one time", I think it's better for the game if the reaction is 'I should try to either reason with this person or put them on a list' not 'I'm just gonna kill this person right away and take the exp debt'.

If you want to walk around in your best gear, which I totally understand, the game then 'says' to you 'You should respond to irritation/opportunity differently than if you went out in less invested gear'. I therefore can only see the problem as 'I would like to be in my best gear, but I would also like to opportunistically PK people without risking that gear'.

There is a specific type of person for whom this is a serious problem. There is another type of person for whom 'walking around in less than their best gear in case they find a target' is acceptable. Since the game still only puts Corruption on the last hitter, it extends it even further. If you are in your best gear and solo and randomly performing PK, the game potentially punishes you.

Whereas for me, it would be 'Hey Guildmate there is someone out here annoying me, gear up appropriately and come kill them please'. With the intention of helping them do so. In MY best gear. And coordinating the kill so that they are the last hit.

I barely see the 'can drop gear from one PK' as an obstacle to anything.

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Understandable to me and I sympathize(? not sure if this is the right word for the feeling) with disliking this.

Because yes, for you, the game is saying 'You! Don't PK, you have to control yourself and call in someone else to do it even though you're pissed off at this player and probably could take them'.

But like most frustrating things in games, it's not necessarily a design flaw, it's something you just really don't personally like. Sometimes those things are necessary for the goals of the game (and sometimes that means you don't like those either). But in the end, this isn't a case of 'Intrepid choosing something that no one wants' or 'this design type is flawed'. It's just not your preference.

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Unless you manage to find a quote for this - this isn't true. That screenshot people posted before is supported by several voice quotes of "as long as you have corruption on you - you can drop full items". Steven just, yet again, made the system harsher than it was in L2. I personally disagree with it quite a lot, but until we test it there's not much point in discussing it.

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100% sure is great but I cannot find any indication of this being the case.

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In what way are they harassing and griefing? Any verbal stuff is just muted and any flagged advances get pvped. So that pretty much only leaves mob manipulation and we don't know how that'll work and if it will even work in the first place.

If they're fighting your mobs better than you - you're the weakling in this situation and you should go find a better-suiting place for yourself. And if they're just helping you get your loot (because they're always below 40% dmg) - all the better for you.