DPS Meter Megathread

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So they make it easier for you to perform better. Which precisely my point and one of Noaani's points (but for a different reason).

Say there's a super hardcore boss. With a tracker that explains to you everything that has happened in the fight to the minute detail you can manage to beat the boss after 50 tries (I know this is a super low attempt quantity, but whatever). W/o said tracker it'd take you way longer to figure out where exactly you could max out your output or where you had issues with boss mechanics, so instead of 50 it'd be 100 tries (again, purely for example).

If said boss respawns twice a week that's a difference of half a damn year, which is supposedly the content release schedule for Intrepid. So instead of consuming all the top tier content in half the time, you give devs more time to feed you content.

And as I said already, in the context of trackers, once you're done with that kind of difficulty of bosses you'd want a great new challenge. And in this scenario you'd want that challenge halfway till expansion, while other players (of supposedly same skill) that weren't using the tracker would be still figuring out how to beat the boss.

And for the next expansion Intrepid might look at groups of tracker people and say, well if we don't give them good new challenges they might get bored with the game, but if we introduce even harder bosses then everyone w/o trackers would never keep pace with the updates nor with tracker people (which is bad in the context of a pvx game).

At which point Intrepid would have a few choices: disregard the tracker people, disregard the non-tracker people, separate the content into difficulty ranges (pretty much impossible for open world content so this is kinda out of the picture) or make twice as much content in half the time. All of those choices are shite for a dev company, as far as I understand it.

And for the non-tracker players there'd pretty much be no other choice other than to start using trackers as well, at which point it's no longer "live and let live", it's just a "my way or the highway" approach.

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I think it is reasonable to assume that the FFXIV outcome would happen.

The sort of person who doesn't want the equivalent of a Tracker is often content believing that others aren't using them.

Like people who don't believe in knowing frame data.

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I'm sure Intrepid will make sure you get banned for any blatant violations of their ironclad ToS, yes.

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It's about distillation of content in the long term. Noaani said he knows a boss that was killed by a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase in the, allegedly, most competitive pve mmo out there. Which means that any normal player wouldn't even come close to the bosses that were half as difficult. And this would just keep happening because the ones who do clear that content would want more content like that, because that's the only fun thing for them (or at least that's what I've gathered from Noaani's comments).

My numbers were there just for an extreme example, but the point still stands. PvE difficulty will get out of hand much quicker if Intrepid decides to completely accept the existence of meters/trackers. Obviously that existence is inevitable, but it's more about how Intrepid approach that inevitability rather than the sheer argument of what they should do about allowing or prohibiting meters.

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It's about distillation of content in the long term. Noaani said he knows a boss that was killed by a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase in the, allegedly, most competitive pve mmo out there. Which means that any normal player wouldn't even come close to the bosses that were half as difficult. And this would just keep happening because the ones who do clear that content would want more content like that, because that's the only fun thing for them (or at least that's what I've gathered from Noaani's comments).

My numbers were there just for an extreme example, but the point still stands. PvE difficulty will get out of hand much quicker if Intrepid decides to completely accept the existence of meters/trackers. Obviously that existence is inevitable, but it's more about how Intrepid approach that inevitability rather than the sheer argument of what they should do about allowing or prohibiting meters.

Also they nerfed Baltheus so there's that.

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Also they nerfed Baltheus so there's that.

Wait, seriously? Fuck, I need to go finish that game before they make more changes. I'm glad I beat him in ~20 tries before the nerf, but if they're about to nerf even more shit I better go be a proper gamer, otherwise my card will be revoked. God damn it.

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I mainly took that from Noaani's statements about what meters let him do. The example of advanced math and all that shit.

If the entire game becomes "advanced math" because that's what the pvers are asking for, then you're excluding majority of players from said game.

And if meters don't allow you to make all the encounters easy to clear then why da hell is there 200 damn pages of people arguing for them to be in the game?