DPS Meter Megathread

@Noaani how would you look at an anonymous+personal tracker? Every person just has the chat log of all the things they did during any given encounter (I mean they'll have it all the time, but maybe there could be a "recording" function where some duration of that log, set by you, could be recorded into a text file). And the boss itself would have give a UI window that shows all the skills/dmg done to it and all the abilities itself used throughout the fight (seconds by second report), but you would not know who used those skills, so you as a leader would have to still look at the battlefield during the fight rather than just looking at the logs after it.

Any group of people who are completely fine with sharing their personal info with their leader would give him their text files and he'd be able to compile them together with the boss' info and see who did what and when and how.

While in any party that doesn't want to do that, the leader would have to work harder to know who's is really slacking. And the players themselves would know that their leader did their hard work if the player got called out (or it would lead to some internal drama, but the personal proof would always be available so you'd always be able to ultimately find the truth).

Would this kind of tracking work for you? To me this seems to preserve the idea of "I know how the fight went down and can see what can be done better (thanks to the boss info)', but also preserve the anonymity that meter-haters want to have, while still giving the hardcore meter-lovers the ability to do their own calculations. And any given player could work on their own skill betterment if they want to.

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Uhm, I can restrict your right completely if I want to, even w/o the meters. That's where your server/node reputation would come in. If the party agreed to a certain set of rules before partying up and you then go against those rules - you're free to reap the consequences of such an action.

I've had this exact interaction in L2 countless times. And anyone who fucked over one of the party members would the become fairly infamous within the farming circle of their lvl of progress.

It's not like the meters are the only source of people being dicks. And either way, I'm 95% sure that random collections of people won't be farming bosses (pretty much the only place where meters will truly matter for most people). And guild reputation will be even more important than the personal one, so if the GL goes against the rules that were agreed upon when he was inviting people - he'll be known as a bad GL, which will damage his guild's future potential.

I'm just trying to find a middle ground where both sides would be as happy as they can.

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Because I want to have a tool that I can use to improve my own gameplay w/o sacrificing my privacy in any given party event.

In L2 it was just my chat, because L2 logged all your actions in the game and you could look through them after the encounter. If Ashes will have the same feature, I'd personally be fine there.

But my other reason for trying to find a middle ground is because I want as many people to enjoy the game as possible, because I want the game to succeed to its max potential. I want another mmo that I can play for 12 years like I did with L2. And if that requires having some form of dps meter for all the PvE hardcore people to enjoy the game and give me someone to kill around a boss' spawn point - I'm willing to find a way to satisfy their desire w/o giving up my own preferences.

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And if it's there then any party can ask for screenshots from it, if they're dicks enough to do so. So this wouldn't be any different from you getting a recording of your log as a text file.

And the boss telling you what he did or what was done to him wouldn't be any different from you just recording your screen during the fight.

And this is why I suggested the thing I suggested. The amount of information available to you would not change in the slightest. The amount of information you retrieve from all that stuff would pretty much remain the same. The only thing that would change is the ease of access (and even that only applies to the boss/mob itself).

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I mean, I'd personally hope that in-game combat log has time stamps (or any chat window for that matter), so it wouldn't even have to be pages and pages. The party/raid leader would just say "give me a screenshot of your combat log from this time" and that'd be that. And as Noaani told you several times, dps meters are not just about how much dps you're doing at any particular moment. If a particular boss mechanic required a particular ability usage from some class in the raid, the raid leader could then ask players of that class to give him screens of the time when they had to use their ability.

The only case where this wouldn't happen is if we don't get an in-game combat log at all.

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Yeah, if the game's combat log is trash then yeah, it'd be a hassle. But then I would be against that too, cause, as I said, I want a tool to make myself play better and a proper combat log was usually enough for me in L2.

Oh, and asking the raid members to do anything would be the norm in any hardcorish guild, because you can't be better than others if you don't work on your mistakes. And doing particular things is exactly how you avoid said mistakes.

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The only thing I'm fighting for here is a good combat log in my chat. Intrepid have already decided to show us the dmg numbers, so I'd assume there'll be a combat log too. And I just want it to look nice and note down all the things I do.

The boss log would be a cherry on top, because, as I said, I'm not asking for insanely detailed info - just what ability he used and what ability was used on him, and all that stuff should be visible during the fight either way, so there'd be no additional info in that log.

But if they don't give us that kind of stuff, it's not like I'll stop playing because of it. But all the hardcore PvErs might. And if Steven really wants to have a PvE scene (with all his talk of super difficult bosses), the very least he could do is give a personal self-improvement tool.

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Which is literally why I suggested what I suggested. My suggested "dps meter" wouldn't tell the raid leader who did what, it would be completely anonymous. Hell, a video recording of the fight would tell more about who did what than the combat log I suggest.

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So you literally fucking agree with me. I just want the in-game combat log to give us all the things that we do (or are done to us) and to be able to save that in text form if I ever want to go through it (the same as I would do to a recording of the fight).

And the boss' log would just be a recording of what he did and what was done to him. Also literally the same as a video of the fight, except with even less info, because the video would tell you who did what, while the log would only indicate that smth was done.