We need PVE servers here's why

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-25 17:29:40

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It's also not a BDO karma system of +-. It's a binary system of "you're either corrupted (red) or not". And then if you are corrupted, there's the severity of penalty depending on how much corruption you have. So you don't decrease someone else's corruption, you increase it by dying to them w/o attacking them.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-25 17:38:49

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I'm not sure what exactly you mean here.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-25 18:09:55

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Ah, yes, if you continue killing non-combatants, you'll be in deeper shit.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-27 19:10:24

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PKers will already be limited in their quantity. On top of that each new kill on a PKer will give them more and more corruption (that is if the PK count removal is real hard and expensive). And on top of that PKing super casuals, whose day would in fact be ruined by a single death, will be even rarer because there'd be no benefit in doing so, which limits the amount of PKers would do that even more.

Also, killing the mule is the same as killing a character, so you'll get double the corruption if you do that. Which will put you deeper into the hole.

Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-27 19:32:55

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I see PKers as just that - people who kill other people w/o their victims fighting back. Anything else is a pvper.
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Don't think we have info on that. We know that Caravans will indicate what they're carrying through visuals, but don't think we've heard anything about other indicators. That could be a good question for the stream.

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Those are not PKers then. They're just pvpers. Or is that the joke you were trying to make?

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-27 20:26:28

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I guess it's my experience/bias from L2, but to me PKer and PvPer are two different things, with different connotations and results. And due to AoC's flagging system being the same, I apply my L2's definition's to Ashes.

You become corrupted only if you kill someone who doesn't fight back. That makes you a PlayerKiller. You don't become that in any other case, so they're all just PvPing.

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Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-27 21:00:08

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I know I won't be the one suffering from this kind of scheme, but if people have several accounts filled with several fully (or at least greatly) leveled characters just to gank a few dozen people once a week (if more often if they're literally operating the accounts with a whole group of people) - that's their right. Cause that is so damn much resources just to kill a few casuals that I can only admire the dedication.

Though at that point I got no fucking clue why wouldn't they just farm whatever they need through normal means, if they have groups of people that are so dedicated to the game.

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I know I won't be the one suffering from this kind of scheme, but if people have several accounts filled with several fully (or at least greatly) leveled characters just to gank a few dozen people once a week (if more often if they're literally operating the accounts with a whole group of people) - that's their right. Cause that is so damn much resources just to kill a few casuals that I can only admire the dedication.

Though at that point I got no fucking clue why wouldn't they just farm whatever they need through normal means, if they have groups of people that are so dedicated to the game.

Because the entire point is to hurt the casuals. That IS the gameplay.

Post by Ludullu on 2022-06-27 21:20:48

Because the entire point is to hurt the casuals. That IS the gameplay.
Yeah, I guess so. To me this kind of thinking is as alien as Noaani's defense of hardcore pve :D I guess I grew up in such a "proper pvp" bubble, that both extremes are too far from me. Or at least that's how I look back on my history in L2. There's probably some nostalgia bias too.

Post by Azherae on 2022-06-27 21:24:34

Because the entire point is to hurt the casuals. That IS the gameplay.
Yeah, I guess so. To me this kind of thinking is as alien as Noaani's defense of hardcore pve :D I guess I grew up in such a "proper pvp" bubble, that both extremes are too far from me. Or at least that's how I look back on my history in L2. There's probably some nostalgia bias too.

Actually, I realized I gave too short an answer.

It's not just griefing.

If I kill you and take half your stuff, I am twice as far ahead of you as I would be if we both gathered our own stuff separately.

Other ways this works well, especially against newbies who don't have guilds yet:

Extortion.
Protection Rackets (related to the above but different).
Gaslighting (this one is complicated to do before you have power on the server but VERY easy once you have it, especially in a game with anonymous alts)
Creating double agents and spies through the above.
Good cop/bad cop emotional manipulation.
Economic blockades and shutdowns explicitly targeting the weaker players.
Piracy against players with large investments that were used to their area being safe.

These are just the ones off the top of my head.

I believe all of these are intended design, and it would be incredibly beneficial (in some cases required) to have a geared alt for these purposes.

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