I don't like action combat, and it could very potentially stop me from playing

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

What is it like for the 'Piano Build' of L2?

I tried to look for a good video, but every other video has them clicking skills with their mouse and being overall shit at targeting and stuff. Really wish I made some videos back when I was still playing.

Here's a vid that at least shows the speed of casting and roughly 85% of the skills on the bar that I used. This is a more magey build of this class, while I went for phys+mage which added a few more skills to the cycle. And on the rewatch of this vid, I think the part where the dude manually clicks skills it's just someone else playing, because the layout is completely different, so that other player might not be used to the skill bar yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIxubnfGF-s

On top of all the skill usage I'd be constantly spamming space to eat some health bottles, so that would bump the apm, but not really meaningfully.

That seems to get quite high when movement is actually required.

Looks close to 90-100 base though? Which implies it rises by the standard... 20ish when in an area when you have to look out for enemies? (Is it 20ish for everyone else? Camera spins and other checks? I think I'm pretty bad at this because I'm not good at shooters, for example)

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But can PLAYERS actually BEAT them while retaining the parts that make it 'Action'?

Because if it 'changes from Action-like to Tab-like' at the highest levels and everyone's okay with that, then it sounds like everything will be great.

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That's my bad, I keep doing that thing where I try to synchronize to what I think someone means instead of what exactly they say, because I find it difficult to have conversations with @Mag7spy otherwise.

~bans herself from forums for the day~

Azherae wrote: »

That seems to get quite high when movement is actually required.

Looks close to 90-100 base though? Which implies it rises by the standard... 20ish when in an area when you have to look out for enemies? (Is it 20ish for everyone else? Camera spins and other checks? I think I'm pretty bad at this because I'm not good at shooters, for example)

Yeah, especially on this class, cause it has 2 blinks so overall mobility is super high (there's a movement speed buff too). And it has an anchor aoe with a short radius around the character, so you always try to look for high value targets to jump on and try anchoring them (anchor is a stun in L2, so it's a very powerful skill), but the class itself is fairly squishy so you want to keep distance from burst characters, so you're constantly moving, constantly spinning your camera to know your surroundings and second-to-second enemy movements/positioning, on top of using all those abilities (cause there's utility and dps in there) - all of that shoots your apm by a ton in bigger fights.

And all of that is usually happening very quickly because ttk is quite short (this video showed overboosted chars with full buffs and just 1v1, so it was quite slow comparatively).