Cosmetic Shop is P2W

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-05 23:32:38

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To be honest there's VERY little chance that it was personal. I just ignore people who I (in my arrogance) believe make their arguments poorly, for convenience.

Prevents me from arrogantly 'coming to restructure their argument for them', and makes certain pages much easier to skim (entire blocks of you and Mag7 back and forth for example). So, if there's anything to take from it 'positively or otherwise', it's:

"I think you make insistent arguments, poorly, and I read them only when others quote them."

You can definitely assume I have no negative feelings toward you in general.

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-06 00:42:41

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Cosmetics affect gameplay for Roleplayers.

You can argue that 'RolePlaying isn't real gameplay' if you like.

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-06 00:45:19

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You are wrong about this, and I AM standing strongly on the concept that for a RolePlayer, Cosmetic Shops are P2W.

You just failed to understand the premise I gave as to how one 'wins' at RP.

Try it again. Limited slots. Need to be chosen. Need to prove you deserve the slot over someone else. Competition.

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Post by Azherae on 2022-08-06 00:59:33

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Your inability to grasp situations that you have not personally experienced continues to be disappointing.

Note only that the reason I stopped was not because "I didn't feel like arguing the point". I just don't believe in arguing points with you specifically, as you can seemingly seldom grasp them.

I will make one more attempt. Assume a group is walking through a Node and their RP involves 'talking to other people who live there'. They have a slot in their group for a 'Knight of the Order'. They would prefer, for MULTIPLE reasons, that everyone in the node who cares to RP, who also has never seen them before, be able to identify their 'Knight of the Order' easily by sight.

If this is the story you wish to tell, and you have two players of approximately equal skill at roleplaying such a Knight and one has the costume and the other does not, the one with the Costume gets the role. You don't have to call it winning if you don't want to.

I don't know how to engage with you very well, as noted, because you often take the most simplistic response to things. It is true that 'one doesn't show up to a roleplay and say I win'. This is irrelevantly correct.

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Why does a costume matter for PvP though? All it does is maybe offer a small advantage to the player who has it?

(From the RolePlayer perspective): What does it matter if you lose a few more fights? That doesn't affect your progression in Roleplaying if you're good enough at it, so it has minimal effect on gameplay.

You having no desire for something does not make it unimportant, and while majority usually rules, 'the uncaring majority' often needs to be curtailed.

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Before you and I get into something pointless...

The last time Iridianny went down this path, I was explicitly on the other side of this argument because of what exactly she was suggesting as solutions to the issue.

I just don't think you can reasonably either:
A ) Call her selfish for wishing there was a solution.
B ) Claim that there is no issue at all.

Unfortunately I only have the same scenario given prior as the explanation for why it's an issue. If you disagree or don't believe in RolePlayer Hierarchy, then there's no way to come to any understanding of perspectives. If you believe 'RolePlayers should just not be that way', and can't see how one could assign the same to PvPers or combatants, then any conversation would definitely lead to disagreement.

Both sides would simply continue perceiving the other as selfish.

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