Cosmetic Shop is P2W

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It hasn't been though. I've addressed this somewhere in the first few pages. Most (if not all) other styles of gameplay have a direct upwards movement of progress imbedded in their very design. And for most people, being at the top of that progress is the "win" condition in their style of gameplay. So when someone pays real money to get to that win condition - they've literally paid to win.

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If you're not competitive then you're not "winning" if you achieve your goal.


And as I said before, not a single cosmetic or even gear piece prevents you from reaching your goal of RPing as someone or participating in the community. And only when you start caring about competitive side of the game, do you start comparing yourself to others on some arbitrary scale of "I'm losing and he's winning".

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So here's a question to you, why do you deem cosmetics p2w (where a person pays instead of playing to "win" whatever it is you'd deem winnable), while you say that reaching max level or doing smth else by Paying To Win (achieve the goal of max lvl or anything else) shouldn't affect others . Why do cosmetics affect you then? How exactly do other people stop you from reaching your own self-imposed goal?

I'm not an RPer so do please explain how exactly do cosmetics determine who/what/where/when/why I can RP. Cause to me that doesn't make any sense.

I'll never forgive neither Merriam nor Webster for this!!

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So in the case of literally no shop cosmetics ever appealing to your (or your social circle's) RP preferences - would you considering cosmetic store to not be a p2w feature? Cause at that point there'd be no win-state in there for you.

And as we've all shown in these past 7 pages, ain't nobody else cares about that shit.

NiKr wrote: »

I'll never forgive neither Merriam nor Webster for this!!.

Oh wait! I found an amazing loophole! I do not care about what Merriam-Webster says for everyone has their own definition of "win" and to me it's the same as Oxford's one, where you need to win against someone in order to call something a win. Hah! Discussion loopholes ftw

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Nah, people just like to argue pointless shit cause everyone's bored If people didn't like arguing we all could've just disagreed with Iridianny and moved on, but alas we're a very argumentative bunch.

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I mean, at this point you're just against the potentiality of things. And imo that's as bad of a take as saying that Ashes will definitely become a p2w game just because all the other games have become one. Is that possible? Of course. Is there a point of arguing about that before it actually happens? I'm not so sure, because I don't think you're Don Quixote.

Just say that you hate pre-order fomo cosmetic sales and most people here would agree with you, just because it is a rather shifty practice. But when you're trying to argue that potentially the cosmetics store will stand in your (or someone else's) way of RPing as some random character - that's the kind of thing that gets all the argumentative people on a forum to gang up on you.

And I would still like you to explain how exactly do store cosmetics prevent you from RPing as any given character. Or about whether you see store cosmetics as p2w if Intrepid explicitly states they're not.

Those two questions address the "cosmetic collection" and the "visual desires that represent an achieved persona" parts of your argument. Because if you want the absolute full collection of all cosmetics in the game - you've already lost and it'll be impossible to achieve. Otherwise Intrepid's list would become the win-state for your preferred gameplay.

And if it's now purely about the visual desire for some look, then we can completely divorce the RP part of the argument because I do not see how cosmetics prevent RP from happening.

And if we have both the collection and the RP part of the argument cleared, we're just left with a purely distilled and unsubstantiated opinion of "I don't like cosmetic shops". At which point, I'm sure, we could all agree with each other and go smell flowers under rainbows, because we all would love to live in a perfect world where cash shops don't exist in mmos. But, sadly, we live in the reality.