Proposal and ideas regarding pvp in order to avoid griefing.

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Outside of the extreme that you took this situation to with your example, I already answered that. Context matters. And maybe you didn't understand what he was talking about because you concentrated too much on the preexisting meaning of those words rather than the context they were used in.

Again, to me, you using "mob training someone" as a negative thing would make no sense, because that phrase was always used in a positive light in my experience. I would've probably understood you if you used it in the same way Depraved used "mob drop" (and I did when you did so), but the phrase itself would still just remain as a positive concept in my head.

We all have different experiences and have used different saying to explain the same things. The fact that americanized side of english-speaking internet decided to use "training" in a particular fashion doesn't really give them the rights to monopolize how the concept behind that phrase should be called.

It also seems to stem from pve gamers vs pvp gamers (especially those who played korean grinders). From a quick google of "mmo training mob" it seems that the term was mostly used in WoW and EQ circles. I'd suppose that was the case because dumping mobs on someone was the best way to grief that player in a non-pvp environment. While in something like L2 (or other korean games that let you aoe shitton of mobs), while we did also have mob dumps, the predominant way of farming was to gather up as many mobs as you could and then kill them all together. And obviously any kind of griefing was mainly done through just attacking people, so there wasn't much use in trying to agro mobs onto them and it only became useful if you were trying to kill a high lvl player on a low lvl char (though it required some skill to execute so definitely wasn't widespread).

But maybe this is yet another niche thing that is only true in my experience. @JamesSunderland @George_Black @tautau when you hear "training mobs" what's the first association that comes to your mind?

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Also, you coulda said "sorry to DERAIL the conversation". Woulda been perfect.

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I certainly plan to roleplay as a heartless arrogant Empyrean merchant warlord who calculates the worth of the livelihood of anyone who is not an ally/family or citizen of the same node before deciding how to interact with them.

Which is notably different from my rl self, in that 'tis not Empyrean.

Point is, help with Corruption testing!

@Noaani well, as indicated by 2 of the resident L2ers, I'm yet again just a unique snowflake that has had a completely different experience to everyone else

I still disagree with your fervor of trying to make Depraved change his phrasing, but I admit that everyone but my circle of people (and apparently Depraved's) uses train to indicate reagroing a ton of mobs onto other people.

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I didn't say that this was the only way to remove someone or that no one fought back. Quite a lot of people did the same thing as me and tried to attack me first so we'd just pvp. I was just giving an example that I did the thing no one does and it sometimes even worked ("countless times" throughout 12 years of playing is not necessarily all the time).

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And yet Steven still allowed this action in his current system. Hell, he even made it easier to achieve because you now see how low a person's hp is (even if you don't know exact value). In L2 you had 0 clue about your target's hp so it was even harder to avoid corruption than it will be in Ashes.

And again, this was mainly happening against people who decided to not fight back. Those who did fight back would just outrun the mobs and would try to pull me into them too, so that mobs might switch to me.

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I was talking about a group of people PKing solos (because if they attacked a group, the group would most likely just fight back). You suggested shared corruption to which I said "the group would just have a killer who'd get all the corruption. And maaaybe the party's healer would help out if needed, so he'd get a bit of corruption too".

In the current system there's no corruption sharing so only the killer would get the corruption.

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I said that the attackers would always become corrupted if they killed their target, even if the target fought back. So functionally there'd be no combatants. Your party got attacked by another party? As long as you just fight back against the flagged players, you don't flag back up and they'll get corruption if you die.

And I never said that people wouldn't know what they're doing. I said the parties who'd be PKing in the current system would most likely PK even more in yours, because the penalties are weaker. So your suggestion would only lead to more "griefing", all while not giving victims a chance to drop less stuff on death.