The "Tank" : a bright invention back in the day I have grown to hate!

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And btw, when L2 started stealing more and more pve from WoW and started having more instanced stuff, they separated pve and pvp enhancement of abilities So even there the devs had to compromise in their design.

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Then why make a separate pvp enhancement branch instead of just making the basic "power" branch stronger? I'd assume it was to prevent a snowballing effect on mob power, while player power grew faster.

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Looks pretty stable to me. Especially on the NA side.

And from what I've heard of WoW/FF14 expansions - that shit takes years.

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Except the change I'm talking about happened before GoD. And those updates are still super popular, even if a lot of veterans still prefer Interlude.

But even GoD+ has had successful servers. Though, relatively successful, considering the overall shor-tlived nature of newer L2 private servers.

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Yet its top lvl pve is considered quite difficult and people spend weeks (afaik) trying to beat it on its release. And that's weeks of non-WoW-like "prepare for the fight for 20h and then spend 1h fighting useless mobs before you wipe on the boss within 5 minutes", and instead a "go fight the boss right this moment" kind of battling.

If FF14 is so easy, why would they need all that time to beat the content? And the game has millions of players, so it's not like there's only 10 crippled players attempting the boss.

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I haven't played Overwatch, so could you tell me what kind of "rpg" elements does it have? I thought it was just different classes with a few abilities, and that's it. When I hear "rpg" I don't think about just classes, I think about leveling, stats changing and builds having different effects/powers. Iirc Dygz is somewhere close to that kind of thinking, so maybe you just have a different definition for "rpg"?

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As we've discussed this before, L2 had big updates too and if you were to add up two updates from it, you'd get something similar to other games. And it also had several world-changing updates in its lifetime.

But that's beside this current context. Nish said that L2's updates slowed down, when in reality they didn't. Not only that, they increased by quite a lot. Those "world-changing" updates came after the "Intrelude" one. So in a way, L2's updates ramped up in later years because they brought in more content.

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Mainly because this topic has been addressed in several threads already, even if in a roundabout way.

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Ah, you meant it in that way. Ok, I see your point.

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I will disagree here because while using the systems that Overwatch and Paladins use for this would be a fun thing (it works in Sieges fine, for example), a general complaint such as OP's would easily cause it to be deconstructed.

Those games work because they are fairly consistently positional-objective based, even their deathmatch modes often contain one in the form of a chokepoint.

Ashes has big open fields, where the methods they apply generally do not work.

EDIT: Removed NiKr-ping