The "Tank" : a bright invention back in the day I have grown to hate!

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Again though, all of that stands on "who can win the pvp for loot". You won't be able to craft any gear if you lose the pvp for the mobs that provide the mats. And w/o gear you would then be unable to do a ton of other shit.

This is the whole point of calling the game pvx. Yes, pve will have to be done as well, but majority of your actions in the game can and will be surrounded by pvp. This is why I dislike when Noaani or Dygz argue that Ashes is a pvp game rather than a pvx one. And you're supporting their side, but I'm almost sure that they'd disagree with your reasoning

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We don't know how truly difficult the pve will be. Unless it's somehow super difficult, I doubt that pvpers couldn't just kill a few mobs.

Maybe it's my L2 bias, but to me there's literally no separation between a pvper and a pvers. You just fucking fight what's in front of you. And L2's mobs were way less difficult than players, so it was way easier to fight those until you got a player to kill, so I'd assume that even if mobs are somehow as difficult as players - pvpers will be able to just farm stuff w/o issues.

The pve/pvp separation mostly came from games where pve was either instanced or did enough damage that any enemy player attack on top of it would lead to you dying. And as much as Steven's promising to keep the pve hardcore and all that, I somehow doubt that super hardcore open world pve would fly these days. Especially in the context of owpvp.

In other words, I just don't think that pve will be difficult enough to not farm if you're a pvper. And if the current pvp population can't fathom touching a mob - well then, that's a shame and I guess I'll be the one winning, cause I'll be both farming and pvping for my farm

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If it's about the attitude towards the games you play (cause it's surely not about the content), then every Ashes player will also be considered a pvp player then. And it would definitely make sense if you won't play Ashes then.

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Then my argument against Neura is won, cause the whole game will just be pvp content hell yeah