A Discussion on Tanks

I'd prefer if buff/debuff mechanics were the realm of the bards, while tanks simply have active protection in all kinds of forms. One of the main forms I'd want is repositioning tools:

• reposition the tank
• reposition the ally
• reposition the enemy
• combos of all of the above

Another tool that would combo with that one would be directed protective shields, both incoming and outgoing.

• a shield (think forcefield) that stops incoming/outgoing projectiles
• a shield that stops incoming/outgoing healing
• a shield that absorbs either of the above
• a shield that redirects either of the above
• a shield that reflects either of the above (with potential increase of the effect)

Make the tank an active participant in the fight, rather than "I cast a buff/debuff and run around as a tin can, hoping that my party doesn't die before I do".

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Not sure what either of those entail. Tank's a tank, and can just change some stuff through augments. Base abilities won't change, so I dunno if we'll have that huge of a difference in Ashes.

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From the 'sorta evasion tank' side, if you treat the Martial tank as 'Takes a hit, then doesn't take further hits for a bit', and the magic tank as 'can decide when to avoid a hit in advance, but can't keep this up forever', I prefer the magic tank type even though the cooldowns generally 'make it clear to most opponents when they can hit you.

I like disrupting enemy plans and making them overthink to buy time for my group, moreso than I like the raw Damage Reduction. For PvE enemies with randomized attacks, obviously the Martial Evasion Tank is a bit 'better', but the Magical Evasion Tank is still decently fun for someone who overthinks/overfocuses like me.

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Well yeah but then he dies. And then your party has no tank. I think I may have missed the more subtle nuance of your post? Sorry.

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Well, we already have Grapple on the tank, so it's simply about how far Intrepid want to take that mechanic.

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What kind of games have you been playing? I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever say that tanks have dmg, let alone highest dmg outside of caster/rogue.

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I assume those are tank/healer/rogue/mage, right? Though I feel like in quite a lot of games even a healer would do more dmg than a tank

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I feel like calling a warrior a tank is unfair to proper tank classes in other games. A warrior is a warrior, not a tank.

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I feel like calling a warrior a tank is unfair to proper tank classes in other games. A warrior is a warrior, not a tank.

Warrior used to often be the tank back then though because of the inspiration points of those games.

Azherae wrote: »

Warrior used to often be the tank back then though because of the inspiration points of those games.

Yeah, true, but the genre evolved past such a limited scope of class design. At least when I hear "tank" in an mmo context - I never think "warrior with good dmg".

Maybe I'm too young and yall boomers are used to warrior tanks, but

NiKr wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

Warrior used to often be the tank back then though because of the inspiration points of those games.

Yeah, true, but the genre evolved past such a limited scope of class design. At least when I hear "tank" in an mmo context - I never think "warrior with good dmg".

Maybe I'm too young and yall boomers are used to warrior tanks, but

Sure sure, but they did say P1999. It's in the name.

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Sure sure, but they did say P1999. It's in the name.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Which is why I said that it's unfair to all the other tanks. Cause they didn't say they were a warrior with top dmg, but a tank with it.

I mean, I won't complain too much if Intrepid suddenly decide to give my tank/fighter a ton of dmg - but I'd still prefer if others didn't expect amazing damage from me, when I'm just a tank doing tank things.