10-15 SECONDS TTK

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I dislike it for that exact reason. I saw snipes in the caravan showcase, I heard "10s on dps vs dps 1v1s" and then Steven literally snaps his fingers and says "kill a target real quick" when talking about group vs group.

It's exactly because I know how archers worked in L2 and how assist-kills worked there, and I know that this is also exactly what Steven had in mind when giving that example, that I'm worried about ttks.

No one can heal you or buff you or do whatever, when a stealthed rogue hits you with a backstab right as his ranger and mage cast their big bursts. And you're the healer in this case, so you're the first to drop (just as it was in L2) and unless we get a "blessed rez scroll" from L2 - ain't no one rezzing you in time.

And I'm sure you know what kind of meta L2 had when archers could easily assist-kill some dudes from a mile away And even there L2 usually depended on good buffs, good gear and high crit values to accomplish this, and otherwise the ttk was lower. Here Steven explicitly states they current plan and explains party pvp as "*snap* and a target is dead, if you have enough skill to pick the same target and talk in discord".

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Tell me you didn't watch the stream w/o telling me you didn't watch the stream https://clips.twitch.tv/ZanyDarkCheesecakeKippa-iRpbtbHaR4EoFAny

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Just check out the clip. It's 30 secs. It tells you all you need to know, which is "this is L2's party v party design".

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That is some high grade copium right there, considering what he said, imo

NiKr wrote: »

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That is some high grade copium right there, considering what he said, imo

Well, fortunately, we have a really direct quote now, so that's about all that's needed for the time being.

I wonder if it matters/counts as feedback to Intrepid that people keep having the 'Well maybe you're just interpreting it as short!' reaction...

I feel like he was pretty unambiguous this time, and yet, here we are still.

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I feel like he was pretty unambiguous this time, and yet, here we are still.

It's the classic situation of "I believe this and have this reasoning behind that belief, so here's how I can interpret Steven's words to fit my belief".

To me going directly from 1v1s to raid v some smaller group (namely singular targets) is kinda illogical. So when I hear "group play" I don't think "raid group". I then apply that assumption to my bias of L2 and Steven's use of "*snap* the target is dead real quick" and I'm immediately reminded of that exact situation in party v party situations.

Depraved concentrated on "raid call" phrase and thought that Steven meant "an entire raid is trying to kill a single person". And while those situations do definitely happen - they're way rarer, simply because you play in a group way more than in a whole raid. But this assumption aligns with Depraved belief that having a 1s ttk in an assist-kill situation is not a thing that'll happen, so his mind clung onto the "raid call" and justified his reasoning that way.

The only way it could be clearer is if Steven used very precise words in very precise ways, but that'd be some near-corpo speak, instead of a more conversational setup (even if all of these questions were prescreened).

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And what a jump it will be. Looking at you, Fighters...

Wait... what do I sub for A2 start now...? I guess I gotta be an Oracle?

Gotta be careful not to build up any doldrum feelings before Shadow Disciple comes out and I can actually give any TTK feedback...