DPS Meter Megathread

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So yeah, like I said, I'm the guy that uses my palm instead of a hammer. We'll come to the exact same result, but I just won't use 3rd party software to do so.

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I have issues with all the things I've heard associated with them. The only good things I've heard about it could be done w/o them, while all the bad things I've heard about them stem directly from their existence.

Imo it's similar to the party finder discussion. With an automatic party finder, all you're looking for is a role representative, while with chat-based party finding a person could negotiate their place in a party w/o directly fitting the role required. Well at least I've personally invited people that didn't fit the role needed, but still did the job just fine. And I myself was that person many times.

With a dps tracker you're looking for a number within a particular role. And you invite/kick people just based on that number (and I've seen a ton of people complaining about that). While w/o a tracker you're looking for a person who can fulfill that role and, if you think they're not doing their job well enough (which would assume you know how to do it better, instead of just looking at a number), you could discuss their actions with them and teach them to do smth better if you do know how to play their role/class better. And I have done this in L2 too.

And in later updates of L2, once they too added an auto-party finder, people started inviting people based purely on their gear, which is pretty much the same as a dps meter number in L2. In other words, optimization = bad. Reject innovations, return to boomer socialization.

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If you wanna draw a parallel between smth that I do and the tool that I use to do it, windows is not the best way to do it, cause I can't create my own OS while I can track my dmg if I want to. The better parallel would be a calculator and counting in your head or on paper. And I always try to count in my head first, and only if I completely fail to do so would I go to use a calc.

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Then I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Intrepid decides to go for and if they do indeed allow trackers, we'll see if it does indeed avoid WoW's issues. I definitely hope it does in that case. I won't be using them, but if Intrepid allows them, I ain't gonna yell at people to "get off my fucking lawn".

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Yeah, that's definitely one of the more questionable design choices right now. Will definitely have to test the hell out of it and all of its consequences in the alpha/betas.

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Same as with a calculator. It'll be the last thing I do, after having done everything in my own power to achieve the goal that I set for myself. And even when I do come to that point, I'd first just ask people, then look at forum-like platforms, then YT videos and only then, if all the previous sources fail - some info site/app.

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As I said, if Intrepid allows them, I won't care for them but I won't be telling people to never use them. My first post here still wouldn't change "fuck dps meters". That will be my opinion even if Intrepid has them in the game.

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Neither have I. Usually I was one of the main sources that people in the game came to if they wanted to know smth. And I could only be that source because I've played each class, in each setup, on top of talking with other players about their experiences. And I didn't use any software to do that (outside of the game obviously, cause I feel like you'd try to get a "gotcha" in there if I didn't specify).

Our views on this topic are the same, except I'm the dude who tries to do get the info manually through way more tests and tries, while you just use a tracker.

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Which is why I said that I need to do more tests, because my calculations would have to be done by myself, would take longer and might have mistakes in them so I'd have to recheck them again and again.

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Because I've never needed them before and then when I heard about them, all I heard was bad stuff.

If, by any chance, I come to a point where I will require them, I'll think about reconsidering my views on them, but before that I'll keep saying "fuck them".

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And I'm fine with that, because I'd know that I achieved, whatever stage of progress I achieved, completely with my own resources/power.

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It was more of an osmosis of information from all kinds of sources and personal conclusions made based on the things I've heard. My own experience is that of not requiring them at all to enjoy an mmo. Now obviously my preferred mmo didn't even need them in the first place, so I'm obviously biased when it comes to the topic.

I've discussed this topic with people that I've played other games with (mainly one wow guy) and I saw 0 huge enough benefits for me to consider it a necessity. Then I've heard a ton of feedback from FF14 people and while I know that a lot of top lvl players use different kinds of trackers, my main argument against that was the info about ff14 devs only releasing raids that they themselves can clear. And I'm assuming they do that w/o trackers, considering their views on addons overall.

WoW and FF14 are touted as the biggest and best representatives of top lvl pve (I didn't have any EQers in any of the sources of info I had so sorry about that), so I trusted the opinions of people that played those games and then based my own opinion on that.

Obviously, my bias has probably clouded my judgement by quite a lot, but as I've said, I'm ready to rethink my current opinion once I hit a progress wall that will just say "you either use a dps tracker or you're not going forward". But until then, I'll keep my belief that dps trackers are not an absolute requirement.