We need PVE servers here's why

We have not received permission from George_Black to share the quoted post.

That is if there is anyone willing to PK an entire group of people, also while the targeted group doesn't fight back at all. That's a very limited amount of cases.

We have not received permission from Mag7spy to share the quoted post.

Just to make sure, by "dec" do you mean "declare war on their guild"? Cause if yes, afaik that's a fairly bigger and more involved process than just pressing a button when you need it.

We have not received permission from Mag7spy to share the quoted post.

Let's go in this direction then.

"It is also easier to declare Guild Wars on the noOWPVP server."

If you tell me 'On this server, before level 35, owPvP is opt-in, but to balance this we made Guild Wars easier to declare and added some 'penalties' for being guildless before level 35'.

Do we PvP-lovers still have an argument that stands up under the Corruption system as we understand it? Cause so far we are at...

"I need to be able to kill level 10 Gatherers who stealth their way to good resource spots because I was there first, Corruption be damned."

That'll work for me, like I said, Gathering, I'm good with, as an argument. But let's not act like it's a STRONG argument. We're just riding inertia right now, and we're not even riding it to the good place.

We have not received permission from Dolyem to share the quoted post.

Right but why is that your goal?

Cause we're getting to 'no, we should implement whatever it takes to make it easier to kill people whose playstyle we don't agree with, or that we suspect are using some protection the game offers to get ahead'.

From the outside, looking in at this conversation as a PvE player, I'd think 'these people are maniacs, this game is not for me'. Which is probably why we get that post x3 after every LiveStream.

Azherae wrote: »

From the outside, looking in at this conversation as a PvE player, I'd think 'these people are maniacs, this game is not for me'. Which is probably why we get that post x3 after every LiveStream.

Yep, that's always the case this is exactly why any of my "fun" stories from L2 would sound like ramblings of a masochist to any pvp-disliker. And when I say that I want Ashes to have the exact same system as the one that led to me having those stories - people get spooked and say the game will die right on release because all pvp games have died in the past.

Yeah alright, I figured we'd end up back here.

Ride that inertia, guys. I at least can run if this goes south (either by game collapse or Steven fold) since I don't hate Eastern MMOs.

(Steven if somehow all this gets back to you, I love you keep doing your thing).

Azherae wrote: »

Ride that inertia, guys. I at least can run if this goes south (either by game collapse or Steven fold) since I don't hate Eastern MMOs.

I hope so dearly that T&L doesn't turn to utter shite, but that hope is barely even an ember. And AA2 is not too far from there too. The chances are, both will be shitty p2w games where you can't do anything in pvp unless you've dumped a truckload of money onto the dev studio