I don't like action combat, and it could very potentially stop me from playing

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I think people have tried to tell you multiple times that this is a logical error.

I understand that for you, if you are talking about Average Content, that doesn't cause the majority of Average players to just wipe, then there will always be a guide because a Noaani made one, even if it was just to get some guild members up to speed.

No one is talking about that Average content.

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Ok. You disagree that obstacle course races aren't real races because they are puzzles to you.... I think we have in fact diagnosed where your real disagreement is then. Thank you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_climbing

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See, this is the thing you, as a non-elitist, can't grasp.

I can fight without trying to do the thing required to win the fight.

I can fight without caring whether I win or lose the fight. I can and do attack people without any interest in winning based on the game's system, sometimes it's just to gather data, sometimes it's just to test something, sometimes it's just a whim, sometimes I just feel like 'being my character' and that is a thing that happens whether I win or lose.

Now, granted, at least in some fighting games this either baffles my opponents or terrifies them, but the point is that I can just want to fight and that is a completely separate feeling and wish from wanting to or trying to WIN.

This is actually annoyingly common for me. If I fight an opponent and I overpower them in neutral and they start to back off and switch to 'bait and punish' tactics, I just stand there and stop blocking. I'll still attack them if I feel like it will lead to me 'getting to do the thing I like doing', but otherwise, they can have the match.

Is it still competitive if I get bored of winning and stop winning?

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Absolutely!

Now you've got it!

And that handful is the handful we've been disagreeing on for the last 30-odd pages.

It was just our (can I say that? I would be speaking for others) expectation that you were talking about the same thing. I had to refactor everything based on your behavioural cues to even realize 'oh, wait... no, this isn't the same basis'.

I'll clarify using the other thing since it will probably hit the right nerve.

When you said you were Top 10 in Soul Calibur, no one noticed that you meant 'I managed to be Top 10 for a little while that one time'.

Because we're elitists. We thought you were saying "I am consistently able to be Top 10 in this game', not 'Oh I was pretty good for a bit, it even got me on a leaderboard for like a day'.

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You're still not able to grasp it.

I'm not throwing the game, that's the conclusion that a non-elitist comes to.

To throw the game would mean that I was trying to WIN the game. I wasn't trying to win the game. I never 'changed to trying to win the game'. I was trying to 'play my character'.

My opponent 'running away' prevents me from playing my character. They run away because THEY are trying to win. So they 'stop me from playing my character' and they usually also 'stop playing their own character'.

I was never on the same plane of goals/thought as the opponent to start with. There was no competition. I JUST wanted to play my character and a human opponent happened to be the target. It just ALSO happens to be true that if a strong player faces me and truly believes they are going to win, they don't 'stop playing their own character' as often/as fast, so it looks competitive.

But from my end it's the same thing. I just want to fight, and my opponent happens to be human.

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And that's exactly it.

The problem is that you came into a space with a LOT of elitists, in fact, a bunch of (in the case of my team) Fighting Game Elitists.

They DID all play SC6 at release. They DO know that you were top 10 on XBox for the short period of time when 15,000 RP was enough to be in the top 10. No one knows if you kept up with it, only that you didn't seem to.

The difference is that if you fastforward to a month or so after that period, when people were at 30,000 RP, those people got there by 'being elitists'. They only compete with each other, really. Sure, other people can fight them, but it's not too hard for them to stay up there.

If you didn't 'stay up there', or if you 'stopped playing and all those people surpassed your 15,000, it's simply because they kept pushing.

But remember still. Steven is the one that said there will be raiding, that there will be tiers, that only <10% of people will be able to clear the top content. This is the Creative Director's intention. That's why it was the assumption.

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You can try to visualize it for now, since you know enough basics to get it.

My character takes a step forward. My opponent can't figure out how to safely attack, so I attack, I succeed.
At that point, I'm playing my character.

My opponent is now down, I pressure maybe. They don't know how best to defend, but they manage to keep blocking. I'm still playing my character. They try for a counterattack that I predicted and get hit.
Still playing my character.

My opponent decides that 'being close to me is a bad idea whether they are trying to hit me or defend', and then backdash. Six times. I walk forward. Keep walking. Opponent eventually gets to the corner, right?
I wasn't playing my character while walking forward, exactly, but once corner happens, I can do it a bit.

One of two things is about to happen. Still with me? If not, reread a bit above.

Either I'm going to attack them while they're in the corner and succeed, or I'm going to fail the attack and get knocked down. If I succeed enough times, I win. If I fail the attack and get knocked down, my opponent jumps over my character...

And starts backdashing again.

If I want to WIN the fight, I stop here, I can wait until I win by TimeOut. I don't want to Win. I want to FIGHT. I walk forward. And I attack. until either I fail all my attacks and lose, or succeed enough and win. But every time I fail an attack, and my opponent backdashes all the way back across the screen for 11 seconds, I am not playing my character.

If I can get OUT of this type of match faster by winning, I will win by TimeOut. Not because I want to win. Because if I'm up one round and I have a choice of 'winning Round 2 and ending the match' or 'my opponent backdashing for 2 more rounds until they win' (while I'm not getting to play), I should win the match so I can get to the next one. Because this will get me another chance to play my character.

There's never a point in that sequence where I am thinking "I am having a competition with this person."

They're not necessarily a bad player. They're not even necessarily a weak player. They have sometimes CORRECTLY concluded that the best way to WIN is to backdash and hope I mess up. They are 'competing'.

I am not.

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I think I've caused the wrong effect here. Don't focus on who I know, who I am, personal skill, any of that. You'll end up in a space where you want to 'prove something' without even realizing it.

Just know that I don't suck at Fighting games. How's that? You can think of me as 'one of those High Rank players who uploads their wins'. Not saying that I'm the best, just that I'm good ENOUGH that I would do it.

If you want a more precise measurement than that, you can go with "Can keep up with World Champions, and they can find playing against me enjoyable."

The question of 'who I know' is broad because you have to define 'know', right?

The point here isn't your SC6 performance, or my SC6 performance, the point is that an elitist has different goals than a non-elitist, and they think about competition very differently.

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~sighs~ The problem with being able to control people is that it's too easy to do it accidentally...

Just assume I don't know anyone on XBox SC6 if it will break this 'spell'. How best to do this... hmm...

"We don't play on XBox, serious fighting game players play on PS4 or PC where there's more competition."

That should be the right button, I think?

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There we go, back to normal.

You should assume whatever truth is optimal for your existence. I play Fighting Games on PS4, the only time I come into contact with the XBox players is at [Local Fighting Game Tournament].

I'm not giving out anything that leads back to my location or life, just as I haven't and shouldn't give out any information that leads back to yours. This is not appropriate conversation for an open forum. The point I was making was only about my own friends and my own teammates and their understanding of 'what 15,000 RP on XBox means'.

You were E Rank at the time of that Screenshot, Mag. It is blatantly an XBox Screenshot. One does not need to even play Fighting Games to know that 'E Ranked 13,000 RP on XBox' is not 'Top 10 in the world'. The point is that you never really meant to say "I am one of the greatest Soul Calibur players in the world", you were saying "I am good enough at fighting games to show up on a Leaderboard".

You said this to elitists, some of whom (you can't see them, they're in my shadow right now lol) took you seriously for long enough to check some stuff.

No one is going to reveal anything personal about you, if that's what you're worried about.

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If I tell someone "I was hanging out with Idom at NLBC like I usually do", that person can fairly easily know approximately where I live or literally where to find me at a certain time.

Just like the fact that you posting that specific screenshot tells me that you are an XBox player and your matches and your way of speaking tell me a bunch of other things.

Well known top players don't have privacy the same way, but they don't need it either.

I'm glad that I misunderstood your concern. I make no assumptions about your potential higher ranks, if you consider them important to discuss, I'm sure you'll mention them and bring more 'receipts'. I only noted that your 'proof' that you were Top 10 is a screenshot of a time when the highest rank was D.

Unless you are Linkorz, I don't care, and if you ARE Linkorz... why are we even having this conversation, man? Shouldn't the situation be more obvious?

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Have you ever noticed, perhaps, that your screenshot shows the region and chosen language of the player alongside their other stuff? I would ask if you know/understand how fighting games get your match location data, but maybe you've never seen the SFV screen for it?

I suggest you go look it up, maybe you'll understand better.

Anyways, I'm gonna call this whole bit off. It's best for you to believe that I know no players. Believe that I'm just randomly messing with you or something.

If you are the sort of person I think you are, this will bring you the most peace. If you are not, it won't matter. Totally my fault for trying to explain things in the way I did.