Tab target is just sad

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I once again suggest you try some MineCraft.

Group PvE games tend to need this stat. Even when you are not building a specific actual 'accuracy stat' in a game like Monster Hunter, there are many gear parts that are contributing to your accuracy in small ways. A game with Ashes' TTK is probably best served with an Accuracy Stat because that allows them to ignore a lot of the more confusing complexities when in a large group.

I don't think it would be reasonable to remove such a stat in a game with a Tab Target option, and all the work required to get players to understand 'other methods of having accuracy' is likely to lead to a stagnant meta.

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But as you noted, if there is Tab Target combat, particularly Tab Target for Ranger skills, you will need this Evasion Stat.

And Steven explicitly said that you won't be able to swap weapons and armor easily, so the gear would need to be balanced accordingly.

Active Dodge function could just break any Tab-lock your opponent has on you, in which case the 'Action' part would be regaining that lock, either through clicking (which is aiming) or softlock (even more aiming).

In that situation, being able to lead 'shots', i.e. even just put your reticle/cursor where you expect your opponent to be when you can regain 'lock', would matter. Like most related games, Active Dodge could just be moreso a stall tactic (if all your opponent has to do is mash Tab) or a way to avoid very specific attacks.

Similarly, if you are in a group, your opponent CANNOT just 'hit Tab until they have you targeted again' and the Action mode would be a much better solution to quick target Acquisition.

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This really isn't true for all of us, though.

There are definitely games that I cannot have a good experience in the system based entirely on what the system is. This is actually fairly common.

It isn't related to ability to win, or lose, it's not related to balance either, it's simply that some things feel natural and fun and some don't, and when I say that, I AM referring explicitly to the interface between myself and the game, and to the 'animation properties' of the game.

I don't generally enjoy games like what some people are imagining Ashes must turn out to be like , regardless of fluidity or my personal skill. So if those people are right, I'm not going to enjoy it, and I will take them at their word that they aren't going to enjoy it either.

Some people are just more picky about what they find interesting or engaging for combat systems.

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You do realize that the phrase "make something great again" implies that the old version was great so we gotta bring it back, right? This is why the original phrase attracted all the right boomers and why Steven used it in the mmo context. He's attracting mmo boomers who loved old games with their tab targeting and more social/hardcore designs. It was never about making the game a fucking shooter.

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