Combat is moving in the wrong direction

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Sorry, I should have clarified that I trust Intrepid to give us the slider that they talked about, to lower these effects.

The flashiness is not the main thing I was referring to, the speed and 'size' of the attacks is. The flash parts can be toned down.

If you look at BDO or Tera or Throne and Liberty combat, they're quite fast, and they have quite a bit of flash, depending, but the speeds and sizes of the attacks are tuned to be visually accessible.

I agree with you completely that if the flashing is making anything you need visually inaccessible, it's bad, but that doesn't have anything really to do with the 'speed' or strikes or the 'weightless' feeling that comes when a big weapon is swung in 15 frames (1/4 second).

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You really wanna get into another loop with Noaani when your ability to convey your points (no matter how good they are) is not generally sufficient to involve that repetition?

I would like to avoid that since this thread might actually be somewhat useful. I will literally argue with Noaani for you if you want, just to prevent this (which will turn into me arguing with you, obviously, since you don't communicate nuance terribly well).

You're going to end up 'arguing' with one of us, because neither of us is generally willing to just let misinformation go uncorrected, and you speak in a way that misinforms other people.

Seriously, I will literally argue with Noaani for you just because Noaani probably does not have/remember enough BDO experience to understand any underlying truth of your points or claims.

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Ok if that's your stance it sounds like your argument would end up being with me after all.

But I'm not in the mood I think, so I'll just write off the thread. Have 'fun'.

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I don't know what version of BDO or class you play, but I can assure you that as a Kunoichi my hits do not 'feel impactful'. Corsair maybe a LITTLE bit, but usually nah.

I am a flighty blitz of blades and since nearly every hit is cancelable frame 3, if my hits feel like they have weight, I'm doing it wrong.

I mow down hordes of enemies without even paying attention to anything other than where they are positioned, PvE or PvP, and there are no minibosses I am aware of in BDO that respond to your hits in any way. 'Trash Mobs' at least can be staggered and you can feel it. Katzvariak just ignores me.

BDO has a lot of useful illusions to make certain classes feel like you're landing impactful hits, but the faster/complex ones, and sometimes the optimal play for the mid-speed ones, ditches all that.

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You're not even talking about the same damn thing at this point. Make up your mind.

You say BDO is too fast, most of us can agree that it is 'too fast', but then you say that the games Noaani plays can't be faster as if that's somehow good.

Anyone who would like BDO combat to be considerably slower or thinks that the game's animations and interactions with mobs have 'weight' wants it to be slower than EQ or FFXI .

So you're basically arguing with yourself at that point.

Either BDO is too fast and isn't as good, so the 'old tab target games' are correct speed and tactics, or BDO is fine and you want combat to be faster than them.

It takes me the same amount of time to get behind an enemy and set up a 'Sneak Attack' on Kunoichi and on Thief in both games, and the same thing happens in both of them, the only difference is how fast BDO starts the animation.

BDO looks faster because it uses animation tricks to look faster. That appeals to some people, me included, but don't go acting like just because it looks faster that it is. That just tells everyone you're falling for the trick or refusing to listen.

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You know what, I'll take this bet.

I got time.

I expect that the only think you will say is 'slower' is the fact that in old Tab Target games the character doesn't have to move, but this is true in BDO too, depending on what class you're playing. I don't move on Nova to fight Kutum, I don't need to move to fight Dim Tree on Kuno, the movements happen because the animation moves you (and sometimes puts you right back where you started) so that it feels dynamic. I move against Dim Tree because it's more fun, not because it's necessary.

So looking past the fact that you have the option to move, they're the same and I DO have videos.

But I wanna confirm one thing first. You do understand that we're talking about PvE, right? Can I at least get you to promise you won't try to 'counter' this by going 'well in PvP it would be more movement!' because no one is talking about that when comparing BDO to 'old Tab Target MMOs'.

Ah, how unfortunate, Mag must have needed to do something else at the exact moment that I offered to bring the videos for comparison. Perhaps went to work.

But don't worry, I've made sure to collect them all and a few extras in case the conditions for some don't suit the discussion. The 'Nova vs Kutum' video will take a little longer to get since World Bosses are on a schedule, but rest assured I will get that too.

So, whenever you are ready, the requested data can be provided with the explanations you asked for and we can have a proper discussion. Just a shame you had to go right then. So it goes sometimes on forums.