Corruption system and getting "the jump" in wpvp

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I generally choose not to play games that can't come up with better than this.

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Same answer.

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I'm not seeing it. How do I get lowered risk of nonconsentual PvP here? People who want to gank me are not in any way prevented from doing so are they? Maybe they have more other people to fight, but 'lack of consensual PvP options' was never a PvEr's problem. The problem was "gonna get ganked cause somebody else wants your spot or resources". People who want a fair, willing opponent could already find one.

This sounds like "consenting to PvP gives you a benefit". Was there another part to this scenario that wasn't in the post? The only thing this does to reduce nonconsentual PvP is pushing people to consent by penalizing them for not doing so.

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A useful note is probably that this is the fundamental difference between us and 'you' (or Steven).

We don't want to play a game 'about conflict'. We want to play 'a Fantasy game about Nodes which allows reasonable/meaningful conflict'.

We have enough games that are about conflict to play, and we have a non-Fantasy game with 'Nodes' AND a better conflict system.

So the response to such suggestion just ends up being 'whatever makes conflict-first players happy'.

I mention this because I got them to engage enough to answer, but probably won't get more than that.

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Ashes is still a little unclear for some of us, you see.

Don't worry, we'll probably realize and leave eventually. It's just taking a long time.

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You're just imagining that.

Unless your original point was unclear. The question was 'what people would think of it'.

That's why I answered the way I did personally.

"If that was implemented, I wouldn't play."

Is this gonna make you assume I'm a PvE player again...?

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There are no PvE militants on this forum anymore.

Not one.

You're imagining it. This is a common thing for players who come onto forums and are more invested into specific parts of PvP .

Not even by the most generous definition of 'militant' are there any 'left'.

Damn, Azherae summoned the entire crew

As for the toggle question - that's already in the game. Hit anyone around you (as long as they're not red or your direct ally) and you'll be flagged. Do that every 90s and you'll be permaflagged. No need for toggles or xp boosts or whatever else.

I personally dislike toggles for that exact reason. They always require some incentive or just have some implied extra mechanics with them. And considering that the current system already has enough extra mechanics that majority of people are not used to, I wouldn't want a whole toggle feature on top of that. And I definitely don't want toggles to replace the current system, if that was the implication of that discussion.

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There's your problem.

You see Ashes as having 'enormous scope and appeal'.

For me, August 27th is a Tuesday.

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In a way, yes?

You should assume that posters on an Ashes of Creation forum might be interested in playing Ashes of Creation as it was explained to them at some point in the past .

Dygz has already given you a short history lesson, it's possible to ask for a longer one, I'm sure.

Anyways, I see this is my mistake, you asked a clear question so I called my group to answer, but in so doing, I might have given you the impression you just said.

In a way, it's a good reminder. Posting is, itself, an indicator of 'interest', and therefore this is my bad. Sorry about that.

Yeah, we've seen several changes or "clarifications" that have alienated one part of the preexisting fanbase or the other. I'm sure we'll see more and even more people will get filtered out. Ashes of Creation? More like... Ashes of Theseus.

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Agreed, which is why I'm genuinely sorry for that, I jumped the gun because you asked a specific question and I figured we're so deep in this thread that you might not get a lot of answers, so I let everyone in my group know.

So for future reference, anyone who responded since that question other than Dygz or NiKr is 'in my group' and don't normally post, since they leave it to me. If you need them to answer a question about an idea you have, though, just lmk anytime.

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This is where you gotta play a game of "how does this poster "sound" in their comments, when did they register and what exactly are they saying". It's a really fun game.

Quite a lot of people here are the ones who could've (or have) been filtered out already, but have stayed on the forum for a multitude of reasons (time-sunk cost definitely one of them).

Some of us stay here in the hopes that the design will shift backwards, if even a little. Some hope that it'll shift even deeper into the current direction. Some stay to keep yelling at clouds that they don't want forced pvp, while others yell at the same clouds that they want ffa pvp.

In other words, expecting a forum to be super homogenized would be the first and main mistake of a new poster. Especially in this day and age, where access to internet info/media is as widespread as it is.

Maybe 20 years ago seeing a forum like this meant that everyone was on it because they went out of their way to find a group of people that were into the exact same thing as them. But now you usually see a range of buttheads butting heads, in hopes of being the "right ones" at the end. And a fair number of us buttheads have been at it for half a decade already. Some even longer.