Player enemy visual Health Bar update on hit.

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And you really don't know that Ashes doesn't have factions, right?

A green player is not an "enemy". A targeted heal can be applied to literally any player (corrupted players included), so even your "enemies" would still be able to receive heals from you.

THIS IS NOT FUCKING WOW.

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To make sure it's clear, there's been no word on this ever being the case. The only reason some people started believing this was because during the ranger showcase the first kill didn't make Steven red.

But in the bard showcase (which is the more recent one) the first kill did in fact make him immediately red. So, as I said at the time, the ranger showcase's build simply had a bug with the corruption system.

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Yep, it'll be much better. But it would need to keep its current core pillars to be a better L2, while it definitely won't become a better WoW cause it never aimed to be that.

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In any fight. But that wasn't the context of what I said.

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Yes. Nothing is stopping you from using a heal on another player.

So far this is the only heal that doesn't specify a difference in effect between "allies" and "enemies", but I definitely expect more of them, purely because variety in abilities is good.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cleric
Divine Flare Place a targeted area heal on the ground that heals all targets within after several seconds. Total healing is split between all targets hit.[36][37]

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_flagging
Non-combatants who heal, buff, or otherwise interact with combatants or corrupted players will be flagged as combatants.[21][22][23][24]
Players who heal, buff, or otherwise support corrupted players will flag as combatants.[21][22][23][24]

And again, I was talking about this in the context of 2 attackers interacting with a green player that's not flagging up. This green player would be seen as an "ally" by the game, so you'd be able to use even more heals than just Divine Flare.

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After double checking this precise interaction, which was not what I was talking about in the initial thing you responed to - no, you cannot use a single target heal on them, because right now all of those heals have a separation of ally and enemy imbedded into them.

Also, it was you who brought factions into this discussion because you mentioned that WoW's healers couldn't heal enemies (which are only of the opposite faction).

Which simply means that you either didn't understand what kind of situation I was talking about, or you don't understand how the system itself works.

And considering that Ayevee understood me just fine and cleared up what he meant - I'm leaning towards you not understanding the system

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You came into the discussion of "people attacking a green player in the open world". Brought up WoW in THAT context. And now you're trying to defend yourself by saying "well, you didn't even know if I was talking about instanced pvp".

As I've said already. You seem to not understand how AoC's system will work, or you have went out of your way to misconstrue what I was saying. And Ayevee easily understanding exactly what I meant just goes to show that I'm right in my assumption here.

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Literally. Any. Targeted. Heal. On. Any. Non-combatant player or npc.
24:17
https://youtu.be/Lzlhdy3Hr2s?t=1456

You keep thinking that this is WoW, and I keep telling you this is L2. But you refuse to listen.

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I already did. Watch the time of the video that I posted

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This has already aged like spoiled milk, even though it was posted after the thing that spoiled the milk

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L2 had this function as well. Steven disliked the ability to heal bosses and removed it. But he kept the ability to heal any non-combatant.

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https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cleric
Wings of Salvation Wings of Salvation.png Sprout phoenix-like wings and leap to target ally, then grant a small amount of temporary health to that target on arrival.[60][61] An ally is defined as any non-combatant player or non-mob NPC.[62]

An ally is defined as any non-combatant player or non-mob NPC.

An ally is defined as any non-combatant player or non-mob NPC.

AN ALLY IS DEFINED AS ANY NON-COMBATANT PLAYER OR NON-MOB NPC.

ALLY = ANY (I REPEAT, ANY) NON-COMBATANT PLAYER


Is that enough for you? Is that clear enough of an answer?

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I replied about factions because that's what WoW is to me and what it had been for over a decade - horde vs alliance, so they're free to murder each other, which is why you immediately thought about a random green person as "an enemy". So I was ultimately correct in perceiving your mention of WoW as "the other player is my enemy, cause we're in different factions".

And if WoW doesn't allow you to heal someone from your own faction - holy fuck that's a shitty design. I believe that WoW wouldn't have that kind of shitty design, which is why I immediately thought that you were talking about different factions. And in that specific context I reiterated that "greens are not an enemy".

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My question was literally about 2 people doing this to one person. One would be attacking and the other healing, if needed. Also, where exactly did I say this would be happening at the same exact moment? I explicitly said that the victim would be healed if the harassers thought they might get corrupted if the victim wasn't healed.

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We don't have concrete info, but I'd imagine that it's gonna be seen as an "enemy".

But that doesn't matter for the context of attacking a non-combatant and corruption that might result from that.

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Because this is not a faction-based game, so you don't have default enemies, unless you both agree to be each other's enemies (either by wardeccing or by flagging up).

Competition starts when both sides agree to compete. When one side refuses - that's where PKing can happen, if the side that agreed is too weak to achieve their goal w/o resorting to PKing.

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I already told you this
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_flagging
Non-combatants who heal, buff, or otherwise interact with combatants or corrupted players will be flagged as combatants.[21][22][23][24]

And the "ally" nomenclature implies that this combatant or corrupted player needs to be in your party, for you to be able to heal them.

A corrupted healer has no impact on the heals, because being corrupted doesn't mean that non-combatants are not your allies (in the eyes of the system that is), even though they'll most likely all attack you. But a corrupted healer should be free to heal any green player w/o any problems.

So, I was right on the other point as well. You misunderstood what I was talking about. Started talking about not being able to heal enemies, while I only talked about healing non-combatants, and then you started telling me that I'm wrong all the while you were arguing against your own misunderstanding.

Well, at least I'm glad to be right in the end

As for not understanding what an enemy and an ally is in a factionless game - that just goes to show that you do not have the proper experience to understand how and why Ashes is designed this way. You base your entire approach to the situation on WoW-like designs where there's always a predetermined enemy and everyone else is untouchable because they're in your default faction.

L2 did not work like that and Steven copied its design. And even faction-having AA let you attack people of your own faction, so had you played the other "non-dead" Steven's inspiration - you would've understood the design much better.

This is one of the reasons why us L2 players keep arguing for this design, because people who've never played with it simply don't understand how it works. But we do. And we liked it. And we want Ashes to have it as well, because it's a great design that leads to much deeper inter-player interactions than just "there's dev-dictated enemies and everyone else who I can do nothing about".

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You quoted me first and asked a question in relation to what I was talking about.

I thought you were asking a question in the context of what I was talking about, where healing the victim is as easy as using a skill, which is why I memed the answer and didn't pay attention to the "enemy" part of the comment, cause in the context it could be seen as "attackers see the victim as the enemy" kind of deal.

Trying to discuss what's an enemy and what's an ally wasn't even on my mind at the time, because to me the answer is super obvious, within the context that I was talking about.

You saw my initial question only through the window of WoW-like design, which is why you immediately thought that only "an enemy" could be attacked. And in a wow-like design, if they're an enemy - well, shit, you can't heal an ENEMY. So you simply couldn't comprehend how the 2 actions could be happening to the same person.

You then said that I didn't understand your high and might point of 15 mmo experience (none of which apparently had the same design as the one that Ashes has, which makes all of that experience useless for the context of my question) and we went into a downward spiral of talking about a completely different topic than the one you quoted.

I was definitely wrong in this post, which I later corrected after double-checking the info on how exactly Ashes treats non-combatants

But my main point of "greens can be healed and attacked in order to harass them" was still correct. And all throughout this exchange I kept reiterating my initial question to keep the context same, but you obviously didn't care about that context from the start (either by choice or due to the wow-brainrot-driven misunderstanding).