Hypothesis confirmed, The real reason why PvE players don't like PvX for AoC, EUREKA !!

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But doesn't "change" imply that there's already something that CAN be changed? Which means that pvp in Ashes can't exist w/o pve, because you can't change smth that ain't there.

PvErs might summon a dragon through some actions, but then pvpers would come to that dragon and prevent its killing because it might lead to the node falling or smth. PvErs open up a dungeon by progressing a story event and then pvpers fight amongst each other for the content within the dungeon. Etc etc

PvErs come first, because w/o their actions pvpers can't do shit really. And this is w/o even saying that pvpers themselves would need to pve first, if they want to be successful in pvp, so there's even more pveing happening in the game before any pvp can take place.

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For me it sounds nice :) But that's a whole separate repetitive discussion.

As for simultaneous build-changing of things, afaik that is a practice in quite a few industries. Plans change on the fly even during the building process (hell, gaming is probably the biggest example of that). And quite often a late-stage change could lead to a much better result, because the already-built stuff creates a new perspective on the previously established plans.

I see AoC's systems in the same way. A group of nodes might be progressing in a certain manner (building the world) when suddenly a new piece of content opens up that has a hook towards a certain next setup, which would then require some pvp influence to shift the node growth towards that.

I feel like this is what Steven's talking about in that quote and to me these things happen "at the same time" in the overall process of build-changing the world. The world keeps being built up, but in a changed way, because in Ashes even destruction simply means a shift in resources rather than a removal of them (well, unless we're talking caravans dying, but then it's a way more pvp thing than a pvx one).

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