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Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 18:21:47
But you've tried bending multiple different commonly and widely accepted definitions of particular things to your own side in order to just even begin to support your argument. While everyone else has been trying to tell you that you can't have your own definition of things that impact other people. But that's the thing, we don't know if that has been coded into the game. The "collect all things" is a feature that you yourself have imposed on yourself. And this was exactly why I asked whether you'd see store cosmetics as p2w if Intrepid explicitly stated that you ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 18:23:59
One thing would change. The game would fucking die. Cause it'd be going against pretty much all common sense conventions of game development. The closest thing to a "polygon-looking fella" of a game is probably OSRS, but I'd say it's just a unicorn in the world of horses.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 18:40:15
And the free food likes! Don't forget about the free likes!
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 18:46:02
Your life's a mechanic! Hah! Gotteeeem!
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 19:37:09
Due to how nodes will work there's a high chance that a lvl5 person might come across a lvl50 mob and just get one-shotted, which would then set them back some amount of farming time because deaths have a consequence in Ashes. So as much as I like the mystery and excitement of trying on a new unknown enemy, I'd prefer if the game didn't waste my time for just going a bit further into the woods. And as for visuals presentation of mobs being able to tell you how dangerous the mob is, I feel like it could ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 19:48:32
It hasn't been though. I've addressed this somewhere in the first few pages. Most (if not all) other styles of gameplay have a direct upwards movement of progress imbedded in their very design. And for most people, being at the top of that progress is the "win" condition in their style of gameplay. So when someone pays real money to get to that win condition - they've literally paid to win. If you're not competitive then you're not "winning" if you achieve your goal. And as I said before, not a single cosmetic or even gear piece prevents you ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:03:20
I'll never forgive neither Merriam nor Webster for this!! So in the case of literally no shop cosmetics ever appealing to your (or your social circle's) RP preferences - would you considering cosmetic store to not be a p2w feature? Cause at that point there'd be no win-state in there for you. And as we've all shown in these past 7 pages, ain't nobody else cares about that shit.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:05:16
Oh wait! I found an amazing loophole! I do not care about what Merriam-Webster says for everyone has their own definition of "win" and to me it's the same as Oxford's one, where you need to win against someone in order to call something a win. Hah! Discussion loopholes ftw
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:27:39
Nah, people just like to argue pointless shit cause everyone's bored If people didn't like arguing we all could've just disagreed with Iridianny and moved on, but alas we're a very argumentative bunch. I mean, at this point you're just against the potentiality of things. And imo that's as bad of a take as saying that Ashes will definitely become a p2w game just because all the other games have become one. Is that possible? Of course. Is there a point of arguing about that before it actually happens? I'm not so sure, because I don't think you're Don ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:32:22
Appreciate your response
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:37:29
I feel so validated when I see that Dygz disagrees with this position
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:41:13
Two biggest RPers on the forum disagreeing with each other
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:52:38
Nah, it's just about Dygz' pov on this topic being so damn close to yours (him being another huge RPer and whatnot), but him still disagreeing with you, just feels me with joy and happiness. It just tells me that I wasn't crazy to completely not understand your point. I tried so hard and got so far to do it, but ultimately failed. And obviously most others barely even tried. But the fact that Dygz is also disagreeing just shows to me that the point itself was so damn far out there that it's completely fine to no understand ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:56:13
Nah, it's cause Dygz is literally an old man. Definitely one of the older (if not one of the oldest) members of this forum. He has a shitton of real mmo experience and usually a drastically different pov on most things. But what's most important in this context, is that his pov on this subject is the closest to yours out of everyone who's been in this thread.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 20:59:45
And I didn't say that you should have the same perspective. I said that he's the only one who's closest to potentially understanding your perspective. But from your exchange of comments it's obvious that your pov is as far from his as from anyone else in this thread. I just thought that I failed to understand your pov due to my limited knowledge of RP, but it wasn't because of that (because Dygz has way more knowledge and still didn't agree), it was because your pov is so extremely opposite to the absolute majority of people I know (both ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 21:05:21
Because that promise is the literal proof that cosmetic store is not p2w? Because in Steven's eyes, if the "best looking, most glorious, insanely amazing" cosmetic is earned in-game and not through the store - then the store cannot be p2w by definition. So you not only disagree with our definition of p2w, but Steven's too. Otherwise he wouldn't have to promise people that exact thing.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 21:22:05
Oh, I didn't forget that. I said "not only ours, but Steven's too" exactly because for Steven it seems to be an objective thing. I personally disagree with him because I couldn't care less about cosmetics and hate that other people do so much that studios implemented transmog as a feature. But apparently enough people do agree with his pov, which is why you're in the minority who disagrees with it for other reasons than mine. But as you said, no one can determine which one is the best, so there's no basis for calling it p2w. And as ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 21:30:42
I admire your dedication to staying up to date on all the forum happenings.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 21:53:41
Doesn't this assume that the shop will have the exact same-looking gear cosmetics as the ones earned in the game though? Because if you can directly buy a cosmetic that is available through in-game means - then yeah, it's p2w. But if there's 2 similarly looking (but completely different lore-wise) pieces achievable through in-game and through store means and, say, the store one doesn't match the lore the group was trying to RP - would it be still considered p2w? Cause I have agreed previously that in very specific situations of "I want this very particular item in the ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 22:07:54
Out of curiosity, what is "purchase keys" p2w? Not sure if I've ever heard that term.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 22:11:06
Do you mean smth like this? https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Relics
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 22:19:58
Oh, if that's what Azherae means, then I know full well what shit system it is and I'd definitely disagree had countless L2 servers with similar systems for buffs and even gear (especially in the later updates). Though I mainly only hate that in mmos. Been playing Genshin for 2 years now and love the absolute hell out of it and have no issues with its Gacha system, even though it's the stingiest fucking gacha out there.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 22:34:56
Ah, I see. Yeah, if we try to account for the wholest definition of "p2w", I'd probably go with this too, cause this just seems like a p4c 2.0. Yes, the person that pays more than you gets a bit further in the game because of that, but they're not completely demolishing you by being an absolute whale. I'd say Genshin's "sub" ($15) is similar to this, except it's in a f2p game so it's even more fair (if you can even call it that).
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 22:50:33
Imo seeing dudes with lavish clothes together with dudes in rags spawning at the starting portal would be a much more immersive event (lore-wise) than just everyone wearing the same exact piece of potato sack. That being said, I'd definitely love if Intrepid stopped selling pre-order cosmetics right around beta 1-2. Mainly because betas will be a short-time thing so the hype for the game will most likely be at its peak. And people will start buying into the game, and if the cosmetics are still attached to the beta access, then a toooon of people will be able ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-05 23:25:47
99%. Take it or leave it.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-06 00:20:43
That's only for cosmetic pieces. Full costumes can be equipped from lvl1.
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-06 02:01:36
It is really a shame that this thread has completely devolved into pointless shitslinging, even after Azherae explained the exact situation where Iridianny is correct, even if such situation will be so damn rare that I'd personally say it's gonna never happen, but the point that no one understood said situation or why that situation proves Iridianny's point (be it only in that kind of very particular situation) is quite a shame indeed. And as for Asgerr's attempts at explaining why the thread is "selfish", @Iridianny the perceived selfishness comes from the assumption that the creation of this thread ...
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-06 02:07:08
shoulda refreshed the page before posting move along, disregard this post
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-06 02:18:24
Well, if your intention wasn't to change the monetization then you can disregard Asgerr's accusations of selfishness and just go back to arguing about the semantics of p2w and the rarity of situations where even your definition of it applies to Ashes Oh, and considering Azherae pretty much did your job for you, I thought you'd be fine with me doing Asgerr's job for him
Post by Ludullu on 2022-08-06 02:30:11
We collectively spent 10 pages talking about random shit that didn't bring any of the sides anywhere near each other. Then Azherae came into the thread and gave a direct example of why your point can be considered valid. Now, obviously, several other participants of this discussion still didn't agree with Azherae's example or maybe just didn't understand it correctly, but one Azherae's post was worth more than 10 pages of your answer's to people's counterarguments. So yes, imo she did do your job. That is assuming that you tried to show why the cosmetic store can be seen ...